Hydra and Hatred Question

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#31 Post by **Silver** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:29 am

I've skimmed this topic and from what I understand, a debate on how to align against a War Hydra? (or any other Monsters&Handlers)

You charge the War Hydra, you align your unit to the War Hydra and nothing else. Following this, the Handlers are placed to maximize base contact with their enemy - the enemy is in no way allowed to move anything else.

So Dragon princes will have 4 in contact with the War Hydra and a single Dragon Prince (for a unit of 5+) will be touching the Handlers without touching the War Hydra.

Its how its done. o_o

Btw, do not confuse 'Free Alignment' with 'Sliding'.

Marsyon · #32 Post by **Marsyon** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:15 am

Hi Silver,

sorry but I have this question un-aswered. Probably it is a stupid one but I am not sure about the answer:

if only 1 DP can touch 1 handler, and with 2 attacks +1 from the horse (Tot 3A), you do 2 wounds, do you actually kill both handlers? As far as I know yes!!!

thank you for your usual support
Marsyon

#33 Post by **Ruerl Khan** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:38 am

Marsyon wrote:Hi Silver,

sorry but I have this question un-aswered. Probably it is a stupid one but I am not sure about the answer:

if only 1 DP can touch 1 handler, and with 2 attacks +1 from the horse (Tot 3A), you do 2 wounds, do you actually kill both handlers? As far as I know yes!!!

thank you for your usual support
Marsyon

Yes, you kill both handlers. Since the handlers are rank and file models the wounds "carry over" as it does with all other non-character models. And its your best bet for whacking the hydra.

Marsyon · #34 Post by **Marsyon** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:20 am

Thanks Ruerl Khan

Eltherion · #35 Post by **Eltherion** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:50 pm

Off coarse the DPs also need to pass their terror test before charging in the first place.

RBT the Hydra not worth the risk in HTH, or at least the wound the Hydra first therefore more chance of killing it out right in combat.

Nagathi · #36 Post by **Nagathi** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 2:03 pm

I agree with Beregond here. And I believe Silver is wrong.

Silver wrote:So Dragon princes will have 4 in contact with the War Hydra and a single Dragon Prince (for a unit of 5+) will be touching the Handlers without touching the War Hydra.

Its how its done. o_o

See this picture:

None of the "extra" Dragon Princes can attack the handlers.

~ Naggie

assimilation · #37 Post by **assimilation** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 4:19 pm

The argument is that the handlers must rank up in a way to maximise combatants as well. That would require both to be on either the left or right, bringing an end DP into contact.

Myself, I can't be bothered reading the rules to check if they do or not. I just charge them with my Frenzied Chaos Knights, and kill the unit outright.

Spectre1 · #38 Post by **Spectre1** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 5:01 pm

The conclusion some of us came up with a while back in an other thread was that :

1) Went charging the hardy you have to maximise contact (P.21 BRB)with the hydra since you line up the handlers last of all(P.67 BRB).

2) But since your oppenent as to maximise combat (again p.21), he will have to line them up on the same side. So one of the DP or what ever cav unit, will be able to put his attacks in one of the handlers.

Problem his most of the people will line up the handler just as you did in your diagram Nagathi.

I think the major problem is one of interpretation of rules...not like it ever happened before

#39 Post by **Ruerl Khan** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:48 pm

Nagathi wrote:I agree with Beregond here. And I believe Silver is wrong.
Silver wrote:So Dragon princes will have 4 in contact with the War Hydra and a single Dragon Prince (for a unit of 5+) will be touching the Handlers without touching the War Hydra.

Its how its done. o_o
See this picture:

None of the "extra" Dragon Princes can attack the handlers.

~ Naggie

Its incorrect though, the handlers -must- rank up to maximize contact to the charging unit as per the points Spectre1 wrote, I know its the common mistake and i've done it myself. But its still a mistake.

Beregond · #40 Post by **Beregond** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:37 am

Yep--Reurl is correct.

1) you charge, maximizing on the hydra, with no handlers.

2) handlers align to you, maximizing models fighting.

Therefore, when the hydra is charged by 25-mm wide models with at least 5 models, the handlers MUST both align on the same side, to maximize the number of models fighting.

Sorry if I was unclear in my earlier posts.