HE Tournament Results

[Axiem]

Found some interesting lists, and some interesting results:

2/36
August 31 2024

## Characters [883pts]
Dragon Mage [355pts]: Sun Dragon (Dragon Fire, Full Plate Armour, Wicked Claws), Light Armour, Hand Weapon, Battle Magic, Wizard Level 2, Lore Familiar, Seed of Rebirth
Prince [528pts]: Hand Weapon, Shield, Full Plate Armour, Star Dragon (Dragon Fire, Full Plate Armour, Wicked Claws), General, The Blade of Leaping Gold, Seed of Rebirth, Talisman Of Protection

## Core [505pts]
Ellyrian Reavers [90pts]:
• 5x Ellyrian Reaver [18pts]: Elven Steed (Hand Weapon), Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Cavalry Spear, Shortbow
Ellyrian Reavers [90pts]:
• 5x Ellyrian Reaver [18pts]: Elven Steed (Hand Weapon), Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Cavalry Spear, Shortbow
Elven Archers [70pts]:
• 7x Elven Archer [10pts]: Hand Weapon, Longbow
Elven Archers [70pts]:
• 7x Elven Archer [10pts]: Hand Weapon, Longbow
Elven Archers [70pts]:
• 7x Elven Archer [10pts]: Hand Weapon, Longbow
Silver Helms [115pts]:
• 5x Silver Helm [23pts]: Barded Elven Steed (Barding, Hand Weapon), Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour, Lance

## Special [261pts]
Dragon Princes [261pts]:
• 6x Dragon Prince [37pts]: Barded Elven Steed (Barding, Hand Weapon), Full Plate Armour, Hand Weapon, Lance, Shield
• 1x Standard Bearer [32pts]: War Banner
• 1x Musician [7pts]

## Rare [345pts]
Eagle-Claw Bolt Thrower [80pts]: Bolt Thrower, Repeater Bolt Thrower, Sea Guard Crew
Eagle-Claw Bolt Thrower [80pts]: Bolt Thrower, Repeater Bolt Thrower, Sea Guard Crew
Great Eagles [60pts]:
• 1x Great Eagle [60pts]: Serrated Maw, Wicked Claws
Lion Chariot of Chrace [125pts]:
• 1x Lion Chariot [125pts]: 2x Lion Charioteer (Chracian Great Blade, Hand Weapon), 2x War Lion (Hand Weapon)

3/21
August 11 2024

## Characters [997pts]
Archmage [420pts]: Hand Weapon, Illusion, Wizard Level 4, Chracian Great Blade, Lore Familiar, The White Sword, Chracian Hunter
• 1x Lion Chariot [125pts]: 2x Lion Charioteer (Chracian Great Blade, Hand Weapon), 2x War Lion (Hand Weapon)

Archmage [230pts]: Hand Weapon, High Magic, Wizard Level 4, Sword of Hoeth, Silvery Wand, Seed of Rebirth, Warden of Saphery

Handmaiden of the Everqueen [68pts]: Handmaiden's Spear, Hand Weapon, Bow of Avelorn, Heavy Armour, General

Noble [279pts]: Hand Weapon, Shield, Full Plate Armour, Lance, Bow of Avelorn, Griffon (Heavy Armour, Serrated Maw, Wicked Claws), Battle Standard Bearer, Dragon Helm, Seed of Rebirth, Pure of Heart

## Core [505pts]
Ellyrian Reavers [96pts]:
• 5x Ellyrian Reaver [18pts]: Elven Steed (Hand Weapon), Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Cavalry Spear, Shortbow
• 1x Musician [6pts]
Ellyrian Reavers [96pts]:
• 5x Ellyrian Reaver [18pts]: Elven Steed (Hand Weapon), Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Cavalry Spear, Shortbow
• 1x Musician [6pts]
Silver Helms [126pts]:
• 5x Silver Helm [24pts]: Barded Elven Steed (Barding, Hand Weapon), Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour, Lance, Shield
• 1x High Helm [6pts]
Sisters of Avelorn [187pts]:
• 10x Sister of Avelorn [15pts]: Bow of Avelorn, Hand Weapon, Light Armour
• 1x High Sister [37pts]: Ruby Ring of Ruin

## Special [278pts]
Swordmasters of Hoeth [278pts]:
• 14x Swordmaster [15pts]: Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour, Sword of Hoeth, Drilled
• 1x Bladelord [31pts]: The Loremaster's Cloak
• 1x Standard Bearer [31pts]: War Banner
• 1x Musician [6pts]

## Rare [220pts]
Eagle-Claw Bolt Thrower [80pts]: Bolt Thrower, Repeater Bolt Thrower, Sea Guard Crew
Eagle-Claw Bolt Thrower [80pts]: Bolt Thrower, Repeater Bolt Thrower, Sea Guard Crew
Great Eagles [60pts]:
• 1x Great Eagle [60pts]: Serrated Maw, Wicked Claws

...and the most interesting list, and interesting result:

1/24
July 6, 2024

++ Characters [558 pts] ++

Archmage [285 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Level 4 Wizard
- On foot
- Seed of Rebirth
- Potion of Speed
- Talisman of Protection
- Lore Familiar
- Warden of Saphery
- Illusion

Prince [273 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Full plate armour
- Shield
- General
- On foot
- Dragon Helm
- Seed of Rebirth
- Reaver Bow
- Ruby Ring of Ruin
- Loremaster

++ Core Units [504 pts] ++

12 Ellyrian Reavers [317 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Cavalry spears
- Hand weapons (Hooves)
- Light armour
- Shortbows
- Scouts
- Skirmishes
- Harbinger (champion) [The Loremaster's Cloak]
- Standard bearer [Banner of Ellyrion]
- Musician

10 Lothern Sea Guard [187 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Thrusting spears
- Warbows
- Light armour
- Shields
- Veteran
- Sea Master (champion)
- Standard bearer [Razor Standard]
- Musician

++ Special Units [515 pts] ++

5 Dragon Princes [234 pts]
- Lance
- Full plate armour
- Barding
- Drakemaster [The Cloak of Beards + Charmed Shield]
- Standard bearer

15 Phoenix Guard [281 pts]
- Ceremonial Halberds
- Full plate armour
- Drilled
- Keeper of the Flame [Charmed Shield]
- Standard bearer
- Musician

++ Rare Units [420 pts] ++

Lion Chariot of Chrace [125 pts]
- Chracian Great Blade

Lion Chariot of Chrace [125 pts]
- Chracian Great Blade

Flamespyre Phoenix [170 pts]
- Heavy armour

Thought it was worth sharing -- not everything has to be a "meta" choice either. HE have a lot of tools. I've certainly moved away from the consistently meta choices for my own list building, but these are quite different.

Kind regards,

Axiem

[Csjarrat]

Found some interesting lists, and some interesting results:

2/36
August 31 2024

## Characters [883pts]
Dragon Mage [355pts]: Sun Dragon (Dragon Fire, Full Plate Armour, Wicked Claws), Light Armour, Hand Weapon, Battle Magic, Wizard Level 2, Lore Familiar, Seed of Rebirth
Prince [528pts]: Hand Weapon, Shield, Full Plate Armour, Star Dragon (Dragon Fire, Full Plate Armour, Wicked Claws), General, The Blade of Leaping Gold, Seed of Rebirth, Talisman Of Protection

## Core [505pts]
Ellyrian Reavers [90pts]:
• 5x Ellyrian Reaver [18pts]: Elven Steed (Hand Weapon), Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Cavalry Spear, Shortbow
Ellyrian Reavers [90pts]:
• 5x Ellyrian Reaver [18pts]: Elven Steed (Hand Weapon), Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Cavalry Spear, Shortbow
Elven Archers [70pts]:
• 7x Elven Archer [10pts]: Hand Weapon, Longbow
Elven Archers [70pts]:
• 7x Elven Archer [10pts]: Hand Weapon, Longbow
Elven Archers [70pts]:
• 7x Elven Archer [10pts]: Hand Weapon, Longbow
Silver Helms [115pts]:
• 5x Silver Helm [23pts]: Barded Elven Steed (Barding, Hand Weapon), Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour, Lance

## Special [261pts]
Dragon Princes [261pts]:
• 6x Dragon Prince [37pts]: Barded Elven Steed (Barding, Hand Weapon), Full Plate Armour, Hand Weapon, Lance, Shield
• 1x Standard Bearer [32pts]: War Banner
• 1x Musician [7pts]

## Rare [345pts]
Eagle-Claw Bolt Thrower [80pts]: Bolt Thrower, Repeater Bolt Thrower, Sea Guard Crew
Eagle-Claw Bolt Thrower [80pts]: Bolt Thrower, Repeater Bolt Thrower, Sea Guard Crew
Great Eagles [60pts]:
• 1x Great Eagle [60pts]: Serrated Maw, Wicked Claws
Lion Chariot of Chrace [125pts]:
• 1x Lion Chariot [125pts]: 2x Lion Charioteer (Chracian Great Blade, Hand Weapon), 2x War Lion (Hand Weapon)

3/21
August 11 2024

## Characters [997pts]
Archmage [420pts]: Hand Weapon, Illusion, Wizard Level 4, Chracian Great Blade, Lore Familiar, The White Sword, Chracian Hunter
• 1x Lion Chariot [125pts]: 2x Lion Charioteer (Chracian Great Blade, Hand Weapon), 2x War Lion (Hand Weapon)

Archmage [230pts]: Hand Weapon, High Magic, Wizard Level 4, Sword of Hoeth, Silvery Wand, Seed of Rebirth, Warden of Saphery

Handmaiden of the Everqueen [68pts]: Handmaiden's Spear, Hand Weapon, Bow of Avelorn, Heavy Armour, General

Noble [279pts]: Hand Weapon, Shield, Full Plate Armour, Lance, Bow of Avelorn, Griffon (Heavy Armour, Serrated Maw, Wicked Claws), Battle Standard Bearer, Dragon Helm, Seed of Rebirth, Pure of Heart

## Core [505pts]
Ellyrian Reavers [96pts]:
• 5x Ellyrian Reaver [18pts]: Elven Steed (Hand Weapon), Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Cavalry Spear, Shortbow
• 1x Musician [6pts]
Ellyrian Reavers [96pts]:
• 5x Ellyrian Reaver [18pts]: Elven Steed (Hand Weapon), Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Cavalry Spear, Shortbow
• 1x Musician [6pts]
Silver Helms [126pts]:
• 5x Silver Helm [24pts]: Barded Elven Steed (Barding, Hand Weapon), Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour, Lance, Shield
• 1x High Helm [6pts]
Sisters of Avelorn [187pts]:
• 10x Sister of Avelorn [15pts]: Bow of Avelorn, Hand Weapon, Light Armour
• 1x High Sister [37pts]: Ruby Ring of Ruin

## Special [278pts]
Swordmasters of Hoeth [278pts]:
• 14x Swordmaster [15pts]: Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour, Sword of Hoeth, Drilled
• 1x Bladelord [31pts]: The Loremaster's Cloak
• 1x Standard Bearer [31pts]: War Banner
• 1x Musician [6pts]

## Rare [220pts]
Eagle-Claw Bolt Thrower [80pts]: Bolt Thrower, Repeater Bolt Thrower, Sea Guard Crew
Eagle-Claw Bolt Thrower [80pts]: Bolt Thrower, Repeater Bolt Thrower, Sea Guard Crew
Great Eagles [60pts]:
• 1x Great Eagle [60pts]: Serrated Maw, Wicked Claws

...and the most interesting list, and interesting result:

1/24
July 6, 2024

++ Characters [558 pts] ++

Archmage [285 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Level 4 Wizard
- On foot
- Seed of Rebirth
- Potion of Speed
- Talisman of Protection
- Lore Familiar
- Warden of Saphery
- Illusion

Prince [273 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Full plate armour
- Shield
- General
- On foot
- Dragon Helm
- Seed of Rebirth
- Reaver Bow
- Ruby Ring of Ruin
- Loremaster

++ Core Units [504 pts] ++

12 Ellyrian Reavers [317 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Cavalry spears
- Hand weapons (Hooves)
- Light armour
- Shortbows
- Scouts
- Skirmishes
- Harbinger (champion) [The Loremaster's Cloak]
- Standard bearer [Banner of Ellyrion]
- Musician

10 Lothern Sea Guard [187 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Thrusting spears
- Warbows
- Light armour
- Shields
- Veteran
- Sea Master (champion)
- Standard bearer [Razor Standard]
- Musician

++ Special Units [515 pts] ++

5 Dragon Princes [234 pts]
- Lance
- Full plate armour
- Barding
- Drakemaster [The Cloak of Beards + Charmed Shield]
- Standard bearer

15 Phoenix Guard [281 pts]
- Ceremonial Halberds
- Full plate armour
- Drilled
- Keeper of the Flame [Charmed Shield]
- Standard bearer
- Musician

++ Rare Units [420 pts] ++

Lion Chariot of Chrace [125 pts]
- Chracian Great Blade

Lion Chariot of Chrace [125 pts]
- Chracian Great Blade

Flamespyre Phoenix [170 pts]
- Heavy armour

Thought it was worth sharing -- not everything has to be a "meta" choice either. HE have a lot of tools. I've certainly moved away from the consistently meta choices for my own list building, but these are quite different.

Kind regards,

Axiem

Interesting. Needs some context for sure as there's some serious lack of optimisation in those lists but fun to see folk using quirky things

[bangarang-_7]

lol i find it funny you said it lacks serious optimisation? says who? list won a 24 player event undefeated verse dragons and screaming undead.

[Csjarrat]

lol i find it funny you said it lacks serious optimisation? says who? list won a 24 player event undefeated verse dragons and screaming undead.

Guy spent 273 points on 4 bow shots lol
Spent another 40 on the razor banner for a unit that does like 7-10 s3 shots depending on frontage.
That's what's interesting about it. It's the stuff noone takes but actually performed well for once.
The context is like to see is what missions where played, what was the terrain like and what sort of faction mix was present.
Also depends a lot on whether this kid is just a tactical savant that can make a crap list sing, or whether the tournament didn't use swiss pairing systems and he just got lucky with the draw against poor players. All important context IMHO

[Giladis]

And how many games were played. At a 3 or 4 game event one can be fortunate enough to not encounter any sufficiently hard counters, but at a 6 game event that is night impossible.

[double_skulls]

lol i find it funny you said it lacks serious optimisation? says who? list won a 24 player event undefeated verse dragons and screaming undead.

A player can win with a suboptimal list against a less well skilled opponent. Plus, its a dice game, and although in the end the dice will average out there are some dice rolls that are much more important than others. So you can just get lucky too. Napoleon famously said he preferred lucky generals.

[Tusk]

Very interesting.
I like this as some HE players are so stuck in their dragon ways, like chaos players they crutch on it when the army is super powerful without.

And if you look at normal winrates for he people are not doing enough if the dragon is end all be all


Anyway 12 i reavers is wild i would love to see how he applied them

[Prince of Spires]

The thing with dragons in tournaments is probably consistency VS all-commers lists.

Given the points cost and nature of a Dragon, a Star Dragon list is all about the Star Dragon. The dragon probably represents 25% of your army and likely carries your general. Combined with 25% core, there is not that much left on the table for the rest.

This makes for a very binary game outcome. If your opponent has the tools to deal with a dragon, then you lose. If they don't have those tools, then you win. Given the hero-hammer meta we currently have, in a tournament, you're likely to face at least 1 list that has the tools to deal with a dragon. This means that in a tournament, you're likely to lose at least 1 game. Which means you won't be winning the tournament.

That doesn't mean that the list isn't strong. It just means that when a list hardcounters yours then there isn't all that much you can do. More flexible lists that don't rely on a deathstar type unit have this less and are more dependent on player skill.

[Axiem]

This makes for a very binary game outcome. If your opponent has the tools to deal with a dragon, then you lose. If they don't have those tools, then you win. Given the hero-hammer meta we currently have, in a tournament, you're likely to face at least 1 list that has the tools to deal with a dragon. This means that in a tournament, you're likely to lose at least 1 game. Which means you won't be winning the tournament.

Generally, and for most armies, I think you're right, but spamming Opal Amulets breaks this dynamic. You can easily avoid Monster Slayer / Cannon hits most of the time -- and there aren't any auto-death combinations in this edition (maybe Screams, but Pure of Heart makes HE mostly immune). If I had to put my finger on a single All-Comers army that is good for a general tournament environment, Star Dragon is at the top of the list.

Kind regards,

Axiem

[Tusk]

What would your build a dragonlord be then? Out of curiosity

[TyrrenAzureblade]

How is Pure of Heart making our army mostly immune to screams?

[Axiem]

How is Pure of Heart making our army mostly immune to screams?

Unless this character is fleeing, all friendly units within their Command range can use their Leadership characteristic instead of their own.

The model that is getting screamed at has the -2 Leadership. If you have a pure of heart model behind it within command range, it can substitute its own at any time. It isn’t commanding presence.

- Take test at your LD -2, or;
- Substitute for Pure of Heart Character’s LD;

It also makes the model effectively immune to leadership reduction effects, like Spirit Leech, if he stays close enough to another Pure of Heart Character.

What would your build a dragonlord be then? Out of curiosity

Dragonhelm, 2x Opal Amulet, Seed of Rebirth. Can choose choice of weapon, and/or Charmed Shield. I like Healing Potion as well, but more Opal Amulets is probably better.

Kind regards,

Axiem

[Mendaciun]

Based on the FAQ ruling for inspiring presence, you simply choose which leadership to use, and then that gets reduced. So your prince can use his LD10, or pure of heart noble LD9. Either way, whatever value you choose will get reduced by all the spells targeting the unit.

The only part where pure of heart comes into play is for units that do not have high leadership and are targeted by spells that specifically call out not being able to use inspiring presence, such as spearmen having to test at LD8 with the negative modifiers after being hit with spirit leech but is within 12" of your general's LD10 bubble. If you had pure of heart, you can still use the general's LD10 and apply the negative modifiers to LD10 instead of LD8.

[Axiem]

Ahh I hadn't caught up with the latest FAQ -- that does make it less good against Screams, but still helpful against Spirit Leech. I'll need to check the exact wording because it still is not Inspiring Presence, but a separate rule. The intent however is probably to have it function the same way.

Kind regards,

Axiem

[Csjarrat]

What would your build a dragonlord be then? Out of curiosity

Star dragon, full plate, charmed shield, ogre blade, dragon helm, seed of rebirth, pure of heart is my normal go to.
Even with the ogre blade the prince often is a bit pillow fisted. Tends to miss 2 attacks and only do a couple of wounds at most once saves have been accounted for. Dragon attacks and stomps do the most damage.
More defensive builds with talisman of protection, seed of rebirth and 2+ armour also works but loses some of the potential damage output of the prince on top

[Axiem]

4/27 -- Michigan GT 2500, 2 day event. Looks similar to my favorite build, but with two Archmages. That approach seems to be gaining in popularity recently....

++ Characters [1008 pts] ++

Noble [262 pts]
- Great weapon
- Full plate armour
- Shield
- General
- Griffon
- Talisman of Protection
- Seed of Rebirth
- Pure of Heart

Noble [186 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Full plate armour
- Battle Standard Bearer [War Banner]
- On foot
- Opal Amulet
- Seed of Rebirth
- Dragon Helm
- Warden of Saphery

Archmage [205 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Level 4 Wizard
- On foot
- Seed of Rebirth
- Pure of Heart
- High Magic

Archmage [355 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Level 4 Wizard
- Lothern Skycutter
- Seed of Rebirth
- Silvery Wand
- Power Scroll
- The Loremaster's Cloak
- Sea Guard
- Battle Magic

++ Core Units [652 pts] ++

20 Lothern Sea Guard [297 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Thrusting spears
- Hand weapons
- Thrusting spears
- Warbows
- Light armour
- Shields
- Sea Master (champion)
- Standard bearer [Razor Standard]
- Musician

5 Ellyrian Reavers [103 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Cavalry spears
- Hand weapons (Hooves)
- Light armour
- Scouts
- Skirmishes
- Harbinger (champion)

5 Silver Helms [126 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Lances
- Hand weapons (Hooves)
- Heavy armour
- Barding
- Shields
- High Helm (champion)

5 Silver Helms [126 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Lances
- Hand weapons (Hooves)
- Heavy armour
- Barding
- Shields
- High Helm (champion)

++ Special Units [468 pts] ++

18 Phoenix Guard [387 pts]
- Ceremonial Halberds
- Full plate armour
- Drilled
- Keeper of the Flame
- Standard bearer [Battle Banner]
- Musician

5 Shadow Warriors [81 pts]
- Longbow
- Light armour
- Feigned Flight (0-1 unit)
- Shadow Walker

++ Rare Units [372 pts] ++

10 Sisters of Avelorn [187 pts]
- Bows of Avelorn
- Light armour
- High Sister [Ruby Ring of Ruin]

Lion Chariot of Chrace [125 pts]
- Chracian Great Blade

Great Eagle [60 pts]

Kind regards,

Axiem

[Axiem]

2/22, one day UK tourney

Archmage [490pts]: Hand Weapon, Battle Magic, Wizard Level 4, Ceremonial Halberd, Silvery Wand, Ruby Ring of Ruin, Seed of Rebirth, Obsidian Lodestone, Anointed of Asuryan
• 1x Frostheart Phoenix [205pts]: Full Plate Armour, Wicked Claws
Prince [505pts]: Hand Weapon, Shield, Great Weapon, Longbow, Full Plate Armour, Star Dragon (Dragon Fire, Full Plate Armour, Wicked Claws), General, Dragon Helm, Seed of Rebirth, Talisman Of Protection, Blood of Caledor

## Core [525pts]
Ellyrian Reavers [95pts]: Skirmishers
• 5x Ellyrian Reaver [18pts]: Elven Steed (Hand Weapon), Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Cavalry Spear, Shortbow
Ellyrian Reavers [95pts]: Skirmishers
• 5x Ellyrian Reaver [18pts]: Elven Steed (Hand Weapon), Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Cavalry Spear, Shortbow
Ellyrian Reavers [95pts]: Skirmishers
• 5x Ellyrian Reaver [18pts]: Elven Steed (Hand Weapon), Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Cavalry Spear, Shortbow
Elven Archers [60pts]:
• 5x Elven Archer [10pts]: Hand Weapon, Longbow
• 1x Sentinel [5pts]
• 1x Musician [5pts]
Elven Archers [60pts]:
• 5x Elven Archer [10pts]: Hand Weapon, Longbow
• 1x Sentinel [5pts]
• 1x Musician [5pts]
Elven Archers [60pts]:
• 5x Elven Archer [10pts]: Hand Weapon, Longbow
• 1x Sentinel [5pts]
• 1x Musician [5pts]
Elven Archers [60pts]:
• 5x Elven Archer [10pts]: Hand Weapon, Longbow
• 1x Sentinel [5pts]
• 1x Musician [5pts]

## Rare [475pts]
Eagle-Claw Bolt Thrower [80pts]: Bolt Thrower, Repeater Bolt Thrower, Sea Guard Crew
Eagle-Claw Bolt Thrower [80pts]: Bolt Thrower, Repeater Bolt Thrower, Sea Guard Crew
Eagle-Claw Bolt Thrower [80pts]: Bolt Thrower, Repeater Bolt Thrower, Sea Guard Crew
Great Eagles [60pts]:
• 1x Great Eagle [60pts]: Serrated Maw, Wicked Claws
Great Eagles [60pts]:
• 1x Great Eagle [60pts]: Serrated Maw, Wicked Claws
Lothern Skycutters [115pts]:
• 1x Lothern Skycutter [115pts]: 3x Sea Guard Crew, Cavalry Spear, Hand Weapon, Shortbow, Swiftfeather Roc (Wicked Claws), Eagle-Eye Bolt Thrower

Matches
Round 1: Match 2 (20 / 0) Ogres
Round 2: Match 1 (12 / TK
Round 3: Match 2 (14 / 6) HE

Kind regards,

Axiem

[anorexia]

2/22, one day UK tourney

so they dont play rule of 3 over there?

edit:
You cant bring 3 units of ellyrian skirmishers for 2k. So the dude "cheated" a little bit

[Axiem]

2/22, one day UK tourney

so they dont play rule of 3 over there?

edit:
You cant bring 3 units of ellyrian skirmishers for 2k. So the dude "cheated" a little bit

You're right about the Reavers -- and I've noticed several of the EU tournaments aren't using any comp yet. There was two-day tourney where someone brought something like 8 Gyrocopters. Still new, comp still likely getting settled in everywhere.

Kind regards,

Axiem

[Prince of Spires]

2/22, one day UK tourney

so they dont play rule of 3 over there?

edit:
You cant bring 3 units of ellyrian skirmishers for 2k. So the dude "cheated" a little bit

You're right about the Reavers -- and I've noticed several of the EU tournaments aren't using any comp yet. There was two-day tourney where someone brought something like 8 Gyrocopters. Still new, comp still likely getting settled in everywhere.

Maybe the tourney ruled that the 0-1 per 1.000 meant for each part of 1.000 pts you can take 1. So 1 for 0-1.000, 1 for 1.000-2.000, and 1 for 2.000-2.500. Not likely, but possible. Though I'm guessing it's just a honest mistake. Possible caused in part at least by Old-world builder not listing it as incorrect.

As for comp, I think the issue with something like the Rule of 3 is that it affects some builds more than others. While 4 archer darts may be annoying, they are by no means game breaking. Pretty much any army can (or at least should be able to) deal with it. 8 Gyrocopters are something else entirely. Then again, so is double dragon. That's just 2 (or even 1 of a star and a moon dragon), but it's a lot more impossible to deal with for plenty of armies compared to 4 archer darts. Which just means that it's a pretty bad comp.

Michigan GT 2500, 2 day event. Looks similar to my favorite build, but with two Archmages.

Interesting list. I like the Shadow Warriors in there. I'm guessing redirector / chaff hunter. Which they're pretty good at. With Scout, they're faster in the first 2 turns than archer darts, giving you early control. I guess it was a case of Core is full and I have a few spare points...

[bkevs84]

Some tourneys have 4 core as acceptable comp

[anorexia]

Maybe the tourney ruled that the 0-1 per 1.000 meant for each part of 1.000 pts you can take 1. So 1 for 0-1.000, 1 for 1.000-2.000, and 1 for 2.000-2.500. Not likely, but possible. Though I'm guessing it's just a honest mistake. Possible caused in part at least by Old-world builder not listing it as incorrect.

Noone thinks that. It should be 1 per 0-999 to be the way You described. Coz 1000 its still a part of 0-1000.

Guy cheated, thats a fact. Intentionally or not.

[Axiem]

...Possible caused in part at least by Old-world builder not listing it as incorrect....

New Recruit has this listed as a viable option, incorrectly, as well.

Makes sense why it got missed if people are using builders. I've noticed several of the builders have things not working correctly with them, especially who can use what Armor, missing Common items, etc. My guess is this is what occurred, but it is unfortunate and ultimately the player's responsibility to check against what is written and not just what an app says.

Kind regards,

Axiem

[Axiem]

Okay curious on people's thoughts:

• 0-1 unit per 1,000 points may:
- Have the Scouts special rule........................................................................+2 points per model
- Have the Skirmishers special rule ...............................................................+1 point per model

The second two points below the first line are sub-bullets. Is that everyone's interpretation that:

- A single unit may have Scouts AND Skirmishers per 1,000 points, or;
- Any unit that has Scouts counts towards the 0-1, and any unit that has Skirmishers also counts towards the 0-1, even if that is the same unit.

For instance, does a unit of Reavers with both Scouts and Skirmishers count as 0-1 per 1000 or 0-1 per 2000?

I have read it as one unit per 1000 points may take any or all of the following, such that one unit may have a) Scouts; b) Skirmishers; c) Scouts and Skirmishers per 1000 points.

Kind regards,

Axiem

[double_skulls]

- Any unit that has Scouts counts towards the 0-1, and any unit that has Skirmishers also counts towards the 0-1, even if that is the same unit.

That's my interpretation. If you want both on a single unit you need 2000 points.

[TyrrenAzureblade]

In an example list of 1000 points, a single unit may have both, or one unit can have Scouts and another can have Skirmish. There is nothing stipulating “may take one of the following” or “Or” present in the list of options.

[Axiem]

This is how I read it, especially compared to right above which specifically has an "OR" statement for the Shortbows / Spears options.

Kind regards,

Axiem

[Tethlis]

High Elves can deal with a variety of matchups well... Until they run into an enemy dragon.

If we had any kind of reasonable tool for softening up dragons, equivalent to 2x cannons, I'd gladly stop running a dragon. The illusion caster with Monster Slayer above comes close, but even then, an enemy dragon is so much faster than a Lion Chariot setup that you're still hoping for your opponent to make a mistake.

[Axiem]

4/18 2day in UK

Sam Freestone (freo94) - High Elf Realms - Big Daddy - [1999pts]

# ++ Main Force ++ [1999pts]
## Characters [952pts]
Archmage [280pts]: Hand Weapon, Elementalism, Wizard Level 4, Sigil of Asuryan, Silvery Wand, Ruby Ring of Ruin, Warden of Saphery
Mage [160pts]: Hand Weapon, High Magic, Wizard Level 2, Power Scroll, Lore Familiar
Prince [512pts]: Hand Weapon, Shield, Great Weapon, Full Plate Armour, Star Dragon (Dragon Fire, Full Plate Armour, Wicked Claws), General, Dragon Helm, Seed of Rebirth, Opal Amulet, Talisman Of Protection, Pure of Heart

## Core [505pts]
Ellyrian Reavers [95pts]: Skirmishers
• 5x Ellyrian Reaver [18pts]: Elven Steed (Hand Weapon), Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Cavalry Spear, Shortbow
Ellyrian Reavers [95pts]: Skirmishers
• 5x Ellyrian Reaver [18pts]: Elven Steed (Hand Weapon), Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Cavalry Spear, Shortbow
Ellyrian Reavers [95pts]: Skirmishers
• 5x Ellyrian Reaver [18pts]: Elven Steed (Hand Weapon), Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Cavalry Spear, Shortbow
Elven Archers [55pts]:
• 5x Elven Archer [10pts]: Hand Weapon, Longbow
• 1x Sentinel [5pts]
Elven Archers [55pts]:
• 5x Elven Archer [10pts]: Hand Weapon, Longbow
• 1x Sentinel [5pts]
Elven Archers [55pts]:
• 5x Elven Archer [10pts]: Hand Weapon, Longbow
• 1x Sentinel [5pts]
Elven Archers [55pts]:
• 5x Elven Archer [10pts]: Hand Weapon, Longbow
• 1x Sentinel [5pts]

## Special [300pts]
Tiranoc Chariot [300pts]:
• 4x Tiranoc Chariot [75pts]: 2x Elven Steed (Hand Weapon), 2x Tiranoc Charioteer (Cavalry Spear, Hand Weapon, Longbow)

## Rare [242pts]
Sisters of Avelorn [242pts]:
• 14x Sister of Avelorn [15pts]: Bow of Avelorn, Hand Weapon, Light Armour
• 1x High Sister [32pts]: The Loremaster's Cloak

Matches
Round 1: Match 2 (14 / 6)
Round 2: Match 5 (20 / 0)
Round 3: Match 2 (0 / 20)
Round 4: Match 9 (20 / 0)
Round 5: Match 5 (20 / 0)

Same problem with the three units of Skirmishers. Illegal. Nice concept through with the Chariot Unit.

Kind regards,

Axiem

[Axiem]

2/16
2-day event, 4/5 Wins, US

++ Characters [997 pts] ++
Prince [527 pts]
(Hand weapon, Light armour, Shield, General, Star Dragon, Seed of Rebirth, Dragon Slaying Sword, Opal Amulet, Blood of Caledor)

Noble [270 pts]
(Great weapon, Full plate armour, Battle Standard Bearer, Griffon, Charmed Shield, Dragon Helm, Seed of Rebirth, Pure of Heart)

Archmage [200 pts]
(Hand weapon, Level 4 Wizard, On foot, Silvery Wand, Sea Guard, Battle Magic)

++ Core Units [503 pts] ++
6 Silver Helms [150 pts]
(Hand weapons, Lances, Hand weapons (Hooves), Heavy armour, Barding, Shields, High Helm (champion))

6 Silver Helms [150 pts]
(Hand weapons, Lances, Hand weapons (Hooves), Heavy armour, Barding, Shields, High Helm (champion))

5 Ellyrian Reavers [103 pts]
(Hand weapons, Cavalry spears, Hand weapons (Hooves), Light armour, Scouts, Skirmishes, Harbinger (champion))

5 Elven Archers [50 pts]
(Hand weapons, Longbows)

5 Elven Archers [50 pts]
(Hand weapons, Longbows)

++ Rare Units [499 pts] ++
5 Sisters of Avelorn [112 pts]
(Bows of Avelorn, Light armour, High Sister [Ruby Ring of Ruin])

10 Sisters of Avelorn [157 pts]
(Bows of Avelorn, Light armour, High Sister)

Lothern Skycutter [115 pts]
(Cavalry spears, Shortbows, Eagle-Eye Bolt Thrower)

Lothern Skycutter [115 pts]
(Cavalry spears, Shortbows, Eagle-Eye Bolt Thrower)

Looks pretty normal, but like the 2x Skycutters with Bolt Throwers -- that's a new edition. Haven't seen anyone utilizing them as mobile Eagle Claws to much effect yet.

Kind regards,

Axiem