geoguswrek wrote:
some mathematical support on the whole corsair front.
28 guard with warbanner vs 24 ish corsairs with frenzy banner (24 ish to take into account the losses to shooting), assuming the corsairs go 9 wide (why wouldn't you?)
the guard hit first with 21 attacks (no champion) doing about 3.5 wounds , the corsairs return the strike with a whopping 4.375 wounds (5.5 striking + 1 for champion), now the guard have an additional warbanner, rank (regardless of width of corsairs) and outnumber, making the corsairs down by 2 and a bit.
now the corsairs do have hatred in the second round, but the seaguard are still throwing 21 attacks so the 'sairs are down for a few rounds.
if seaguard is ranked as mentioned 4x7 they would have 28 attacks (1+2 rank+spearbonusrank+HEspecial rank, wihtout champ) (or am i wrong on this? ) means 14 hits and 7 wounds after corsairs armor save = 4,7 wounds
corsairs are ranked also 4x7 lets say, another handweapon (frenzy(banner) now being +1 attack all time, why not considering having max attack output) and frenzy, 1strank:21 attacks + 2ndrank:7 attacks = 21 hits with hatred = 10,5 wounds after guard armor saves = 5 wounds thats without cauldron of course, would be even more, we cant get more attacks on the guards except 10 wide or maybe new spell?
so corsairs and guards are even on wounds = same rank bonus, with the war banner we would win by 1 (2 if we had attacked) but next round they have more attacks than we have due to our last ranked being nerfed.. they still hit with 28 attacks..
if there is nothing wrong in this math corsairs are better.. they cost 2 points less, we have the bow ok.. thats good ability of course but why would i field a unit that can take down just DE spears. the guard unit would have to be really big to equal their S3, thats too expensive.
guard is a good overall unit now, but i rather field 2-3 unit of (long)bows and the rest is elite etc
EDIT: for fightning other T3 cores than elven ones, guards are a good unit and playable now.. i just compare to DE so much because i play them half my warhammer time.. the other half playing chaos, dwarfs and orks being T4.. its even worse i can think.