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Author:  SpellArcher [ Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:24 pm ]
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Thanks guys.

MasterOfNone wrote:
bolster the artillery

This is the big one for me. At 2500 my war machines are clearly insufficient. At 2000, I'm just not sure. Sadly I'm not allowed 3 Manglers as each is a Rare choice.

MasterOfNone wrote:
I am assuming all characters stay with the Big Uns?

Yes. I like the idea of Magic Resistance but believe the Ring is important. Four spells is not quite enough choice IMHO and a Flaming Magic Missile, weak though it is, can be a really useful option. If I want MR my best way might be to put it on the Warlord, which would mean dropping the Ogre Blade for a Great Weapon.

Prince of Spires wrote:
Why does it need to be 8 trolls? If you drop them to 6 or 7 you can fit them in. Does number 8 add all that much?

I've seen a lot of O&G tournament lists and Trolls are almost always in 8's or 9's. Those were at 2500pts though and yes, 7 would probably be fine at 2000, maybe 6 even. 8 just plays robust enough at 2500 while 6 doesn't in my experience.

Prince of Spires wrote:
Alternatively, what about bringing a lvl 2? He could carry the scroll to let your lvl4 take some different shiny stuff.

My main reason thus far for excluding the lvl 2 has been to simplify things and let me play quicker. I also feel he might be a bit of a luxury at 2000. I try to first work out the elements I just can't do without and then build the list from there. At 2500 I like him better. One problem I have is that I want to 6-dice Foot of Gork a lot but don't want to blow my lvl4 up! By adding the lvl 2 I could probably select that spell with him and maybe even take Earthing Rod to protect the unit? It's interesting.

Author:  SpellArcher [ Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:31 am ]
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Second Draft


Orc Warlord, Great Weapon, 4+ Ward Armour, MR 3 216
Orc Lvl 4, Dispel Scroll, Ruby Ring, 5+ Ward 280

Black Orc BSB, 4+ Ward, Ironcurse Icon 165

27 Orc Big'Uns, Shields, Full Command, Standard of Discipline 293
18 Arrer Boyz, Full Command 156
5 Wolf Riders, Shortbows 55

18 Black Orcs, Shields, Full Command, Gleaming Pennant 274
7 Trolls 245
3 Bolt Shooters 105

Mangler Squig 65
Mangler Squig 65
Stone Thrower 85

2004 points


Now obviously this is four points over. I've spent 504 on Core, so ideally I'd just trim the points from there but I can't see a straightforward way to do this. An alternative is to drop Ironcurse Icon if I have to. You may be right MON that the artillery isn't enough but it might be possible to swap a Troll for a fourth bolt shooter. Aside from maybe that, the list looks functional to me.

Author:  MasterOfNone [ Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:56 pm ]
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SpellArcher wrote:
Second Draft


Orc Warlord, Great Weapon, 4+ Ward Armour, MR 3 216
Orc Lvl 4, Dispel Scroll, Ruby Ring, 5+ Ward 280

Black Orc BSB, 4+ Ward, Ironcurse Icon 165


Now obviously this is four points over. I've spent 504 on Core, so ideally I'd just trim the points from there but I can't see a straightforward way to do this. An alternative is to drop Ironcurse Icon if I have to. You may be right MON that the artillery isn't enough but it might be possible to swap a Troll for a fourth bolt shooter. Aside from maybe that, the list looks functional to me.


Your choices for the characters look great.
If you drop the short bows from the wolves I don't think you will miss them much.
The choice between a troll or a bolt thrower is a tough one. I might give the fourth BT a chance, these are unreliable machines that you need to have in numbers if you want to scare your enemy.
When you have other core troops painted I would consider swapping out the arrer boyz, perhaps with savage orcs.

A question about rules, specifically about characters joining units.
An infantry character whose base is larger than the troop must be placed at the edge, but what about the opposite, e.g. a goblin character joining an orc unit?
Can a goblin wizard join an orc unit and benefit from its protection (including look out sir)?
Bonus question: I see nothing forbidding a wizard sitting behind the first rank, protected from H2H combat, while still being able to cast spells. Am I wrong?

Author:  MasterOfNone [ Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:55 am ]
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SpellArcher wrote:
Mangler Squigs

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What size round base did you put them on? I am starting to look into getting some for my army.

Author:  SpellArcher [ Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:34 am ]
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MasterOfNone wrote:
Your choices for the characters look great.

Thank you MON.

MasterOfNone wrote:
If you drop the short bows from the wolves I don't think you will miss them much.

I feel this is a matter of taste. Some players find them useful, others not but I like them thus far.

MasterOfNone wrote:
The choice between a troll or a bolt thrower is a tough one. I might give the fourth BT a chance, these are unreliable machines that you need to have in numbers if you want to scare your enemy.

Both options probably need playtesting.

MasterOfNone wrote:
An infantry character whose base is larger than the troop must be placed at the edge, but what about the opposite, e.g. a goblin character joining an orc unit?
Can a goblin wizard join an orc unit and benefit from its protection (including look out sir)?

A goblin on foot must be placed at the edge because his footprint is not compatible with the unit's. Were he riding a wolf though, this would not apply because he could simply take the space of two orcs. So long as he's on foot, a goblin would still benefit from Look Out Sir because he and the orcs are the same Unit Type (in this case Infantry).

MasterOfNone wrote:
Bonus question: I see nothing forbidding a wizard sitting behind the first rank, protected from H2H combat, while still being able to cast spells. Am I wrong?

You're right. The only consideration is that the front rank needs to be full of command models and/or other characters else the wizard would be forced to move forward.

MasterOfNone wrote:
What size round base did you put them on?

60mm. GW currently sell them with an 80mm base but this is post-8th Edition.

Author:  SpellArcher [ Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:55 am ]
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Getting closer with the Arrer Boyz:

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Author:  elendor_f [ Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:57 am ]
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I really like the old-school vibe they have :D

Author:  Prince of Spires [ Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:14 am ]
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The banner bearer is my favorite out of the unit. He has such a lovely grumpy look. And the banner matches the unit very well, even if it's simple (or maybe because it is...).

Rod

Author:  SpellArcher [ Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:40 pm ]
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elendor_f wrote:
I really like the old-school vibe they have

Thanks dude!

Prince of Spires wrote:
The banner bearer is my favorite out of the unit.

Technically he's a musician Rod (he bangs the gong) and Kev Adams reprised him with a classic Night Goblin model. But he looks so much like a standard bearer that he's getting used as one!

Author:  MasterOfNone [ Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:17 pm ]
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I know what you mean but indeed he (it?) looks more a standard bearer than a musician.
I like this unit.

Author:  SpellArcher [ Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:03 pm ]
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MasterOfNone wrote:
I know what you mean but indeed he (it?) looks more a standard bearer than a musician.
I like this unit.

Thank you MON. I pondered adding a dedicated standard bearer but it didn’t look right. The finished unit:

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Author:  MasterOfNone [ Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:56 am ]
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If you feel confident with your freehand you could paint a symbol on the gong/banner to make it stand out more.
Alternatively, you could draw and paint it on paper, then cut out and glue on.

Author:  SpellArcher [ Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:31 pm ]
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Ideally I think the unit would be slightly smaller, this 'standard' wouldn't look good in a unit of 25 for example. But 18 is OK I feel, I can always adjust things slightly as time goes by.

Author:  SpellArcher [ Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:52 pm ]
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Had a bit of a re-think and I'm going to put the Black Orc idea on hold for now. I'm still applying the finishing touches to my other Orcs but it'll be some Goblin-related stuff after. One of the last few Orcs:

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Author:  SpellArcher [ Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:03 pm ]
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I left my Wolf Riders in the sun and their grass turned yellow! So I replaced it with more green and re-attached a couple of goblins who’d fallen off. There’s a pic of these very early in the blog but here’s the repaired unit for reference:

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Author:  Prince of Spires [ Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:59 am ]
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SpellArcher wrote:
Ideally I think the unit would be slightly smaller, this 'standard' wouldn't look good in a unit of 25 for example. But 18 is OK I feel, I can always adjust things slightly as time goes by.

I think that if you use them in a battle they go from 25 to 18 models pretty fast, courtesy of your opponent. So I wouldn't worry about looks too much in that regard ;)

Looking forward to the goblin stuff. Though I do think we need a family picture soon as well. You've been busy since the last one :)

Rod

Author:  SpellArcher [ Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:41 pm ]
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Prince of Spires wrote:
Though I do think we need a family picture soon as well.

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Sorry for the delay. This is not the best framed shot but it gives a general idea.

Author:  Prince of Spires [ Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:32 am ]
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It's becoming an impressive army. I'm debating if the troll or the big orc unit are the most threatening looking unit in there. Though the size of the manglers is deceiving. They pack more punch than you'd think. Sneaky gits...

Thanks for sharing.

Author:  SpellArcher [ Sun Nov 08, 2020 5:01 pm ]
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Prince of Spires wrote:
It's becoming an impressive army.

Thanks Rod. After what seemed an eternity of painting Orcs I’m glad it actually shows some variety. Here’s how I’ve decided to go with Lead Belcher:

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Author:  MasterOfNone [ Sun Nov 08, 2020 7:40 pm ]
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SpellArcher wrote:
Prince of Spires wrote:
It's becoming an impressive army.

Thanks Rod. After what seemed an eternity of painting Orcs I’m glad it actually shows some variety. Here’s how I’ve decided to go with Lead Belcher:

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Fun model, I love it.
I have one, bought new when it was current. Still have all the crew and even the box.
Pity it has not featured in O&G army lists for decades, I would really like using it again.

Author:  SpellArcher [ Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:30 pm ]
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MasterOfNone wrote:
Pity it has not featured in O&G army lists for decades, I would really like using it again.

I intend to count mine as a Doom Diver.

MasterOfNone wrote:
I have one, bought new when it was current. Still have all the crew and even the box.

So unpainted? You should paint it up and post it here MON!

Author:  MasterOfNone [ Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:01 pm ]
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SpellArcher wrote:
MasterOfNone wrote:
Pity it has not featured in O&G army lists for decades, I would really like using it again.

I intend to count mine as a Doom Diver.

MasterOfNone wrote:
I have one, bought new when it was current. Still have all the crew and even the box.

So unpainted? You should paint it up and post it here MON!


No I painted it back then! I will take a few pics and post in the next few days.
The crew was quite numerous and I have assigned it to other war machines, but from the images on the box I should be able to tell who was part of it.

Author:  MasterOfNone [ Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:01 pm ]
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Here is my very old Lead Belcher:
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The two dark goblins are among the first miniatures I painted in my WHFB renaissance two years ago.
It looks like I got bored of painting them well before they were done.

Author:  Azaam [ Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:30 pm ]
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This is the first time I see this model. This is a very interesting piece of engineering :D
There's a really nice feeling about this unit. Good job.

Author:  Prince of Spires [ Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:11 am ]
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It's a lovely piece. And I think it can work well as either a spear-chukka or a doomdiver, or, with some modifications as a snotling pump wagon. It should be a fun project.
Azaam wrote:
This is a very interesting piece of engineering

I think that's a good summary of O&G engineering in general. Especially regarding the goblin and snotling parts of the army list (I don't think Orcs do that much engineering...). It's one of the things I love about the army :)

Rod

Author:  MasterOfNone [ Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:19 am ]
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The box says that the lead belcher was an organ gun that was captured from the dwarfs and that the goblins learned how to use (they "extracted" the information on how to run it from the only dwarf survivor). Obviously during their ownership they must have made some cosmetic changes ;) )

While It was in no ways special when I bought it around 30 years ago, this is now a very old model that I would consider a collectable. Not very commonly found.
Therefore I would hesitate to convert it to a doom diver or a pump wagon, for these projects there are more common alternatives that could do the job just as well.
I'd rather leave it unchanged and use it as a proxy.

Author:  SpellArcher [ Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:10 pm ]
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MasterOfNone wrote:
Here is my very old Lead Belcher:

I love it! Especially the striking red face piece, it would be easy for this to get lost in a dark metal or somesuch. I also really like the yellow brown on one of the crew.

MasterOfNone wrote:
While It was in no ways special when I bought it around 30 years ago, this is now a very old model that I would consider a collectable.

Part of the Machineries of Destruction range as I recall. There was the Skull Crusher stone thrower too and I actually have the Goblin King's Battle Chariot.

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