Thanks guys.
Prince of Spires wrote:- drop the core archers and replace them with more SH and a unit of reavers. You could also bring 2 reaver units and keep the SH unit the same size if you want. But I think 8 is on the small side. Especially with only a noble in there instead of a Prince. 12 archers don't do a lot and they're very expensive for what they do. Especially with the armour on them. And the glade guard + RBT already have the shooting base covered.
It's hard to fault your logic here Rod. Problem is, I don't have any more Silver Helm or Reaver models. In mitigation, World Dragon is a huge equaliser on the bus, especially at effectively 2000pts.The Archers are definitely inefficient but they should be OK vs this field:
Charles Edward Heart - Wood Elves
Mark Peat - High Elves (should there be an un-even number of players)
Lynsey Swift - Skaven
Phil Rossiter - High Elves
Luke Stout - Empire or Dwarves - Army TBC
Warren Stevens - Vampire Counts
Julie Stevens - Dark Elves
Andy Wood - Dark Elves
Stuart Gadd - Wood Elves or Vampire Counts; Army TBC
Nathan Bradley - Vampire Counts
Andrew Hogan - Army TBC
Alex Hogan - Army TBC
Matt Stafford - Warriors of Chaos
Prince of Spires wrote:- Drop the eagles. With a unit of reavers in core (see above point), there is no further need for redirectors. Dropping these optimises the list.
I personally feel that one unit of Reavers is not enough redirection at 2000pts (pre-End Times) but as mentioned it's slightly academic.
Prince of Spires wrote:With all the points you've gained, around 150 or so by my count, you should be able to put another unit on the table. Something like a small unit of WL or a chariot. I think this poses a bigger threat then the extra ward saves on the SM. Even more so because warmachines and magic will be more limited at 1500pts as well, making them less useful. You could even consider dropping some of the command models on the SM for even more boots on the ground. I think champ and banner don't add all that much at 1500pts. If you squeeze a bit you could get 15 or so WL on the table. Doing so would really flesh out the list and give you a lot more options.
It would certainly be an idea. I happen to think that the Archers might actually be more useful than the Lions here because 15 is not enough from everything I've seen. But another unit might well be better than the Archers. Again, I feel the Swordmasters need the trimmings because of Challenges etc..
RE.Lee wrote:I agree with Rod that the archers don't do much. You've got basic shooting covered with the RBTs, and the Glade Guards are just plain better.
I considered dropping an RBT RE. But I could be facing Dragons here.
RE.Lee wrote:I'd go for Banner of Swiftness on the Swordmasters so that they can try to keep up with the cavalry.
I tried this earlier in 8th edition and discarded it. Basically because half the time I didn't want to push the Swordmasters. Lacking World Dragon I feel I really need Lichebone (and Ironcurse) because if I get one spell off (which I probably will most turns) I have a 5++ vs ranged instead of 6++, this makes the Swordmasters harder to deal with.
I know it seems like I'm not bending much here but as said, I'm a bit hamstrung re Core models. I feel like the list needs a single tweak but I'm still not sure exactly what. You're helping me work it through though!