WarpPhoenix wrote:You cant realyl do that with the SHs on the Reckless rule, the gaining and attack per passed is fine but how are you going to work the armour save? Are you going to roll each model in the front rank on a seperate die? That'd be awefully annoying.
Ahh yes the armour save is not so good, maybe -1 WS, though that could be the same... Hmm... The problem is everything that makes a difference is rolled on... That's a tough one EDIT: I have a good idea... 1+ to enemy combat res if two fail(rounding down). That'd mean that you potentially gain 5 attacks or lose 2 combat res or a mix, shows the SHs realising their not as strong as they thought!
I dont think a bunch of tests is going to do anyone any good, statistic tests are usually on the extreme of things, leadership being common only because of fear, which as we all know is just a bunch of crap when you play whole armies with fear.
I disagree, tests and the unlikley odds of those double 1s or hundreds of sixes makes the game exciting. Really all of combat and shooting and magic is a big test on charecteristics. I can understand you don't like them much and yes they're rare but it makes some sense, I think.
The +1 armour save wouldnt make them worth it either, the problem is that when you have THREE cavalry units in a single choice selection you're only gonig to take 2 out of those 3, because there are only 2 kinds of cavaly. Heavy and Light, and DPs just do heavy cavalry better in all aspects better than helms, helms just dont have a place, I probably wouldnt take them even if they were core!
That was my goal, to give them character, I wanted SHs to hunt down tough character but be overenthuisyastic and DPs to be really strong hitters and inspiring but too arrogant.
The fluff behind Silver Helms cant really be made into rules, they're just trying to prove themselves to the best of their ability, any special rule will either be cheese or just not be good, like Frenzy, Silver Helms have a pretty good charge range, there probably wont be 2 games where they dont end up in a wood. I also dont think they're THAT reckless, they're still elves and they realise what they can do and what they cant, they're just not as easily scared as most, which is why I think they should also be LD 9 basic too. The basic strength of our puny elves is 3, I dont think you want a strength test deciding weither or not the unit was worth its points, initiative maybe.
I think wanting to charge and always challenging makes them want to prove themselves but not too cheese and the possible +1 attacks just makes them worth taking. As for landing in a wood, they won't charge into a wood as they can't see through it, that was what I meant by "charge range" see the enemy and be in range. Ld 9 is a nice idea, gives them another difference from DPs. SHs are I 5, I really wanted 50/50 chance so that's too much I'd say, WS test? 
I would change the Victorious Joy thing to something like "If the UNIT and/or champion has killed a character, all wounds done to the character are double for the purposes of combat resolution." I think this would give a good reason for gunning for characters and helping to run down units, which they really need with their 1 attack or on a 50/50 2 attacks. It also means that IF your champ does go for a challenge, manages to kill say an elf hero, doing 2 wounds, 1 overkill, that would be doubled to 6 for combat res because of the above rule and be a lot more worth it to even take a champ.
I love that, it's perfect!
Sorry if it feels like im jsut tearing your ideas apart i just really hate characteristics tests because with elves they're usually a 50/50 thing unless its on initiative or LD.
They are meant to be 50/50, that's to make them not quite a DP but potentially able to cause as much carnage!
I dont get the Dragonhorn thing, its Imriks Horn, it was giften to him, they put it in the selection because they broke up Imrisk gear and gave it out to others, I get why you thoguht of dragon princs when you saw it but to me its just... nothing to do with them, its more of a leader symbol than an arrogant snob unit they wont acknowledge other units.
The plan was to make them inspiring, not really to blow the horn, just it's affect, I just didn't want two reroll turns, it would be too much cheese
Dragon Princes dont need to be changed at all really, their skill is shown with all their high characteristics (WS5, I6, LD9, A2) and nobility is shown by all of them having access to dragon armour, which you may think is everywhere but is in fact scarce.
A2 is them charging fast, a bit of fluff says that they can "slay 2 warriors with one thrust of the lance" that's more a fast charge and strong stab than skill as such. I belive they are fine now but fixing what's not broken is often called improvments (my motto) 
The Impeteous rule is after all charges are declared you measure for these guys, if they're in range you take a leadership test, if you fail it your knights run off into the distance towards they unit. It also means that on any turn that they charge (by any means, not jsut failing this test) they unit is immune to psych for that turn. This rule is seen as a huge downside usually because you can bait knight errant with an eagle then smash them in the sides, you take away they lance formation and they melt away, the only thing that makes it worth it is the banner that they get that gives them +1 str on the charge but gives liek a =2 to the Impetous test.
I quite like that rule but I prefer if they don't have to charge stuff, or atleast have a good chance of holdig back, whilst never loosing combat res from recieved kills means they can more easily defeat any foe, I think this would be nice on the SHs though. 