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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:24 pm 
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Thanks guys.

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bolster the artillery

This is the big one for me. At 2500 my war machines are clearly insufficient. At 2000, I'm just not sure. Sadly I'm not allowed 3 Manglers as each is a Rare choice.

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I am assuming all characters stay with the Big Uns?

Yes. I like the idea of Magic Resistance but believe the Ring is important. Four spells is not quite enough choice IMHO and a Flaming Magic Missile, weak though it is, can be a really useful option. If I want MR my best way might be to put it on the Warlord, which would mean dropping the Ogre Blade for a Great Weapon.

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Why does it need to be 8 trolls? If you drop them to 6 or 7 you can fit them in. Does number 8 add all that much?

I've seen a lot of O&G tournament lists and Trolls are almost always in 8's or 9's. Those were at 2500pts though and yes, 7 would probably be fine at 2000, maybe 6 even. 8 just plays robust enough at 2500 while 6 doesn't in my experience.

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Alternatively, what about bringing a lvl 2? He could carry the scroll to let your lvl4 take some different shiny stuff.

My main reason thus far for excluding the lvl 2 has been to simplify things and let me play quicker. I also feel he might be a bit of a luxury at 2000. I try to first work out the elements I just can't do without and then build the list from there. At 2500 I like him better. One problem I have is that I want to 6-dice Foot of Gork a lot but don't want to blow my lvl4 up! By adding the lvl 2 I could probably select that spell with him and maybe even take Earthing Rod to protect the unit? It's interesting.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:31 am 
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Second Draft


Orc Warlord, Great Weapon, 4+ Ward Armour, MR 3 216
Orc Lvl 4, Dispel Scroll, Ruby Ring, 5+ Ward 280

Black Orc BSB, 4+ Ward, Ironcurse Icon 165

27 Orc Big'Uns, Shields, Full Command, Standard of Discipline 293
18 Arrer Boyz, Full Command 156
5 Wolf Riders, Shortbows 55

18 Black Orcs, Shields, Full Command, Gleaming Pennant 274
7 Trolls 245
3 Bolt Shooters 105

Mangler Squig 65
Mangler Squig 65
Stone Thrower 85

2004 points


Now obviously this is four points over. I've spent 504 on Core, so ideally I'd just trim the points from there but I can't see a straightforward way to do this. An alternative is to drop Ironcurse Icon if I have to. You may be right MON that the artillery isn't enough but it might be possible to swap a Troll for a fourth bolt shooter. Aside from maybe that, the list looks functional to me.

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SpellArcher wrote:
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Orc Warlord, Great Weapon, 4+ Ward Armour, MR 3 216
Orc Lvl 4, Dispel Scroll, Ruby Ring, 5+ Ward 280

Black Orc BSB, 4+ Ward, Ironcurse Icon 165


Now obviously this is four points over. I've spent 504 on Core, so ideally I'd just trim the points from there but I can't see a straightforward way to do this. An alternative is to drop Ironcurse Icon if I have to. You may be right MON that the artillery isn't enough but it might be possible to swap a Troll for a fourth bolt shooter. Aside from maybe that, the list looks functional to me.


Your choices for the characters look great.
If you drop the short bows from the wolves I don't think you will miss them much.
The choice between a troll or a bolt thrower is a tough one. I might give the fourth BT a chance, these are unreliable machines that you need to have in numbers if you want to scare your enemy.
When you have other core troops painted I would consider swapping out the arrer boyz, perhaps with savage orcs.

A question about rules, specifically about characters joining units.
An infantry character whose base is larger than the troop must be placed at the edge, but what about the opposite, e.g. a goblin character joining an orc unit?
Can a goblin wizard join an orc unit and benefit from its protection (including look out sir)?
Bonus question: I see nothing forbidding a wizard sitting behind the first rank, protected from H2H combat, while still being able to cast spells. Am I wrong?

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SpellArcher wrote:
Mangler Squigs

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What size round base did you put them on? I am starting to look into getting some for my army.

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MasterOfNone wrote:
Your choices for the characters look great.

Thank you MON.

MasterOfNone wrote:
If you drop the short bows from the wolves I don't think you will miss them much.

I feel this is a matter of taste. Some players find them useful, others not but I like them thus far.

MasterOfNone wrote:
The choice between a troll or a bolt thrower is a tough one. I might give the fourth BT a chance, these are unreliable machines that you need to have in numbers if you want to scare your enemy.

Both options probably need playtesting.

MasterOfNone wrote:
An infantry character whose base is larger than the troop must be placed at the edge, but what about the opposite, e.g. a goblin character joining an orc unit?
Can a goblin wizard join an orc unit and benefit from its protection (including look out sir)?

A goblin on foot must be placed at the edge because his footprint is not compatible with the unit's. Were he riding a wolf though, this would not apply because he could simply take the space of two orcs. So long as he's on foot, a goblin would still benefit from Look Out Sir because he and the orcs are the same Unit Type (in this case Infantry).

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Bonus question: I see nothing forbidding a wizard sitting behind the first rank, protected from H2H combat, while still being able to cast spells. Am I wrong?

You're right. The only consideration is that the front rank needs to be full of command models and/or other characters else the wizard would be forced to move forward.

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What size round base did you put them on?

60mm. GW currently sell them with an 80mm base but this is post-8th Edition.

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Getting closer with the Arrer Boyz:

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I really like the old-school vibe they have :D

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The banner bearer is my favorite out of the unit. He has such a lovely grumpy look. And the banner matches the unit very well, even if it's simple (or maybe because it is...).

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elendor_f wrote:
I really like the old-school vibe they have

Thanks dude!

Prince of Spires wrote:
The banner bearer is my favorite out of the unit.

Technically he's a musician Rod (he bangs the gong) and Kev Adams reprised him with a classic Night Goblin model. But he looks so much like a standard bearer that he's getting used as one!

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I know what you mean but indeed he (it?) looks more a standard bearer than a musician.
I like this unit.

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MasterOfNone wrote:
I know what you mean but indeed he (it?) looks more a standard bearer than a musician.
I like this unit.

Thank you MON. I pondered adding a dedicated standard bearer but it didn’t look right. The finished unit:

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If you feel confident with your freehand you could paint a symbol on the gong/banner to make it stand out more.
Alternatively, you could draw and paint it on paper, then cut out and glue on.

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Ideally I think the unit would be slightly smaller, this 'standard' wouldn't look good in a unit of 25 for example. But 18 is OK I feel, I can always adjust things slightly as time goes by.

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Had a bit of a re-think and I'm going to put the Black Orc idea on hold for now. I'm still applying the finishing touches to my other Orcs but it'll be some Goblin-related stuff after. One of the last few Orcs:

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