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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:05 am 
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I like the list. There probably is some optimization that can be done on it. But 2000pts in general has very little room to swap things out.

On thing I would consider is swapping the short bows on the wolf riders for a nasty Skulker in the goblin unit. 10 BS3 S3 shots that have always moved will not do very much in my opinion. While 3 killing blow attacks (even at ws2) could be trouble (or, for a more serious option, use the 10 points for more chukka's, see below, if you have the room in core of course).

Another is dropping one or two snotling bases for more spear chukka's. 2 isn't all that threatening. 4 might keep stuff a bit more honest. And at 2000pts you're maybe a bit heavy on redirectors.
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I suspect elves will be able to deal with them but not all enemies will have such accurate shooting. At worst they die but force the foe to spend time on them and they can inhibit movement. I agree Rod, 2 is the way to go.

Shooting or a well placed magic missile are a good way to deal with a mangler. So indeed, elves probably have enough tools to deal with them, even 2 of them. The manglers would achieve very little against a loremaster for instance, other then drawing a bunch of power dice in the first two turns or so. But against a lot of other lists, the best option is simply running a cheap unit into it I think. I would gladly sacrifice a great eagle or a unit of reavers to get rid of a mangler.

Of course, this also means that a mangler shines in an environment where people don't bring a lot of redirectors or chaff units. Which is, surprisingly in my opinion, quite common. Having a mangler crash through some big, tough block and deal 2D6 s6 AP hits and then having it rampage through your backline can spell disaster for your army.

I like the orc. He's fairly simple. But he should make a good rank and file unit. And in a big unit I think he'll look pretty good.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:07 pm 
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Prince of Spires wrote:
I like the list.

Thanks Rod.

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On thing I would consider is swapping the short bows on the wolf riders for a nasty Skulker in the goblin unit. 10 BS3 S3 shots that have always moved will not do very much in my opinion

You have a point but I feel this is a matter of taste. The shooting was great last game. Yes a bit lucky. The models also have bows!

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Another is dropping one or two snotling bases for more spear chukka's. 2 isn't all that threatening. 4 might keep stuff a bit more honest. And at 2000pts you're maybe a bit heavy on redirectors.

This I completely agree with. The Snotlings aren't very good, they are currently in because they're painted! Artillery is the big weakness of the list. I dislike Doom Divers aesthetically but I really should get a second Rock Lobber in. The Lvl 2 is also replaceable. He's not bad but if I drop him and the Snotlings that's 270 points to play with. I'm quite tempted to raise a unit of Black Orcs. They're not often seen (they're not Core) but I like the models and I think I can make them work.

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Of course, this also means that a mangler shines in an environment where people don't bring a lot of redirectors or chaff units. Which is, surprisingly in my opinion, quite common. Having a mangler crash through some big, tough block and deal 2D6 s6 AP hits and then having it rampage through your backline can spell disaster for your army.

In my experience it's also very easy to forget that Random Movement can potentially hit anything within 18", in any direction.

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I like the orc. He's fairly simple. But he should make a good rank and file unit. And in a big unit I think he'll look pretty good.

Thanks. I have a couple more done I need to photograph.

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I have a couple more done I need to photograph.

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The Orcs so far:

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They look suitably unruly. And the guy in the front row with the mohawk is just great :D

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Prince of Spires wrote:
They look suitably unruly.

Thanks Rod. The photo’s a bit dodgy, I’m actually really pleased with the effect so far.

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And the guy in the front row with the mohawk is just great

If you see pics of the Citadel designers in the 80’s, they were a fairly punky lot!

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I was wondering what was going on with this project. I forgot to check the 8th edition page now that I've gone full oldhammer. Glad to see you are still at it.


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Thanks Shannar but it’s taken me a month to paint another 5 Orcs! Here’s one guy, a bit crude but to the point:

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On-the-fly shot of the 5:

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1 model a week is still good progress ;)

I like him, though I feel he's lacking some extra spot color. My initial thought on seeing him was that yellow eyes would work very well on him and add to the menacing vibe he has.

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Maybe it takes a month, but those are classic oldhammer.

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Shannar, Sealord wrote:
Maybe it takes a month, but those are classic oldhammer.

Thanks Shannar.

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I like him, though I feel he's lacking some extra spot color. My initial thought on seeing him was that yellow eyes would work very well on him and add to the menacing vibe he has.

Maybe so Rod (and thanks). I’m actually very pleased with how the Orcs are looking en masse with the grassed movement tray, they look appreciably better in the flesh than in the photo I posted.

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SpellArcher wrote:
they look appreciably better in the flesh than in the photo I posted.

That sounds very similar to my photography skills ;)

They indeed look great as a unit. And the grass bases work well with your simple (but very effective) color scheme. The extra spot color was mainly a feeling I got from the model, where it would add just a little bit extra.

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Thanks again Rod. Slow progress continues, 20 of 30 down but that 30 will include characters.

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Nice. Looking good.

As mentioned in a different thread, 30 models in a unit is a lot for me. Looking at all units I have, I've found that I have exactly 1 unit of 30 models, which is my LSG. I did actually paint them in one go. And the only reason I didn't go mad doing so I think was that it is a mix of 20 metal LSG and 10 IoB ones. And so far I haven't found the motivation to paint up the second set of 10 IoB LSG...

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Prince of Spires wrote:
Nice. Looking good.

Thank you.

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As mentioned in a different thread, 30 models in a unit is a lot for me. Looking at all units I have, I've found that I have exactly 1 unit of 30 models, which is my LSG. I did actually paint them in one go. And the only reason I didn't go mad doing so I think was that it is a mix of 20 metal LSG and 10 IoB ones. And so far I haven't found the motivation to paint up the second set of 10 IoB LSG...

No joke, is it Rod? I really feel like I’m crossing the half-way point with this unit. Much left to do but much done too. My armies tend to start with enthusiasm, slow down in the middle, then pick up again down the stretch. This one is just entering the third phase.

This guy is Hardnose Mard, a Champion from one of the Regiments of Renown.

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Prince of Spires wrote:
As mentioned in a different thread, 30 models in a unit is a lot for me. Looking at all units I have, I've found that I have exactly 1 unit of 30 models, which is my LSG. I did actually paint them in one go. And the only reason I didn't go mad doing so I think was that it is a mix of 20 metal LSG and 10 IoB ones. And so far I haven't found the motivation to paint up the second set of 10 IoB LSG...

No joke, is it Rod? I really feel like I’m crossing the half-way point with this unit. Much left to do but much done too. My armies tend to start with enthusiasm, slow down in the middle, then pick up again down the stretch. This one is just entering the third phase.

That's the great thing when you're building a specific army, like you are. My elves are a continuous collection in progress. So there's no clear end I'm working towards. But I recognize the feeling. I have it with a lot of projects as well. Lots of ideas and enthusiasm at the start, which drops off in the middle as the work becomes more a slog. And then loads of enthusiasm again towards the end as everything comes together.

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Prince of Spires wrote:
My elves are a continuous collection in progress. So there's no clear end I'm working towards.

I struggle with this. It really helps me to paint a new army so I have clear goals and a sense of discovery. But I’ll return to painting elves eventually.

Another five Orcs finished but the (tricky) characters await! Here’s my musician:

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SpellArcher wrote:
Prince of Spires wrote:
My elves are a continuous collection in progress. So there's no clear end I'm working towards.

I struggle with this. It really helps me to paint a new army so I have clear goals and a sense of discovery. But I’ll return to painting elves eventually.

Same here. Just check the progress of my plog…

He certainly has an interesting idea about drum sticks.

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Prince of Spires wrote:
He certainly has an interesting idea about drum sticks.

As ever, crude but effective.

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SpellArcher wrote:
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He certainly has an interesting idea about drum sticks.

As ever, crude but effective.

You'll only really find this out once you start using him in games though. It might very well be that he keeps failing the swift reform checks... ;)

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