HE win Lonewolf GT (not me)

[dabber]

It wasn't me, so I don't have much in the way of details, but haven't seen this mentioned on this site. Special characters were banned and there was some sense of composition, but nasty Daemon and VC lists were certainly around.

In a field of 90, this High Elf list came out 5-0 with best overall:

Noble (general) with great weapon, Talisman of Loec, Reaver Bow- 141

Lev. 4 Mage with Jewel of Dusk, 2 dispel Scrolls, Dragon horn- 340

Lev. 2 Mage with Silver Wand, Ring of Fury- 185


Core-
20- Spearmen with standard- 190

19 Spearmen with standard of protection- 206



Special-
10 Whitelions with Lion standard- 187

5 Dragon Princes with standard and banner of ellryion- 175

6 Dragon princes with standard carrying war banner - 220

3 Chariots- 255


Rare-
1 Great Eagles- 50

3 Bolt Throwers- 300


Total: 2249

[Flame of the Asuryan]

hmm..Seems like the Dragon Horn played an important part in his strategy. I like the big blocks of spearmen.

[Griffon Prince]

This is similar to another list that I've seen that did quite well in another tournament. The other one had a level 4, a level 2 only one scroll and no BoS.
I've been thinking that Banner isn't worth it for awhile now. It's not so much the points as it is needing a unit that can carry it. I'd rather give my DPs other standards like those shown.
Banner of Arcane Protection is an interesting choice for the spears.
I wonder how this list would do against Warriors or Temple Guard. Str 5 doesn't seem to be enough against those units.

Kudos to the winner of the GT, whoever he/she is.

[AJ21st]

It's good to know that this kind of list could still win in tournament, a balanced list with magic. I like the composition of the army, every unit does his best job: Shooting by RBTs and no S3 shooting unit except the chariots and Magic by Archmage and Mage. The 2 blocks of Spear Elves are nice and they seemed to be useful for the player.

[dabber]

I wonder how this list would do against Warriors or Temple Guard. Str 5 doesn't seem to be enough against those units.

Doesn't matter. Move 4 infantry never sees close combat against that HE list.

[Beregond]

I actually played this guy in the first round. I had a 'realtively' friendly Bretonnian army, with little/no magic protection (1 lvl-1 with 1 scroll). Solid play, good dice, and a few lucky events led to a victory on his part. He castled on one half of the table , with a forest on the far table edge. DPs and Chariots on the far edge, spears next, then bolt throwers, then white lions. Blast and shoot away, wait for countercharge opportunities woth the fast units. Lance was one of those really careful, calculating players who I imaging rarely makes a mistake.

[garythewargamer]

This gives me real hope. I am attempting to learn a white lion themed army with 2 mages. So far mostly my losses have been because of my mistakes.

[Darvon]

Cool list. Would be interesting to hear from the guy who played it.

Edit: I've no idea how that's a 5/0 GT list though. No swordmasters / star dragon / teclis / lion chariot. The fact that it won is equal parts awesome and weird.

[afterimagedan]

Dude, I love that reaver bow... It has made such a difference on a noble with a GW. My enemies just hate that guy. Also, if someone comes in to try to kill him, he can use ASF with the talisman and just smash the guy.

[dabber]

Edit: I've no idea how that's a 5/0 GT list though. No swordmasters / star dragon / teclis / lion chariot. The fact that it won is equal parts awesome and weird.

Composition based pairings and a big enough field. No points for comp, but it affected pairings. Every round there was at least one not-so-nasty list with the same record, so this friendlier High Elf list kept facing them. The super nasty lists kept facing each other. VC Drakenhoff dog-star won best general with the other 5-0 record. And remember, special characters were banned.

He faced Bretonnians (with some infantry!), High Elves, Wood Elves, Orcs & Goblins, and Empire.

[Beregond]

I played Lance my first game-- so I think I was in the same grouping. My brets were rated in tier-2 (Do not the worst of the worst, but pretty hard armies) out of 4, so it wasn't like he was playing fluff armies. I think that my Bret army's bark was worse than its bite (I should've been in tier-3), but that's another topic.

His army is really fundamentally solid--it just doesn't have any of the high elf buzz-word stuff in it , like 'star dragon', 'Battle Banner', 'Banner of Sorcery', or 'Skeinsliver'. It's got really good economy, there's nothing in it that's excessive or exhorbitant, and it all served a specific purpose. The only exception to this in my opinion is the 2nd spearmen unit. The first one has its uses, but I don't know how you'd get the points back for the 2nd one consistently.

[Keith]

I played Lance my first game-- so I think I was in the same grouping. My brets were rated in tier-2 (Do not the worst of the worst, but pretty hard armies) out of 4, so it wasn't like he was playing fluff armies. I think that my Bret army's bark was worse than its bite (I should've been in tier-3), but that's another topic.

His army is really fundamentally solid--it just doesn't have any of the high elf buzz-word stuff in it , like 'star dragon', 'Battle Banner', 'Banner of Sorcery', or 'Skeinsliver'. It's got really good economy, there's nothing in it that's excessive or exhorbitant, and it all served a specific purpose. The only exception to this in my opinion is the 2nd spearmen unit. The first one has its uses, but I don't know how you'd get the points back for the 2nd one consistently.

Skeinsliver is a HE buzzword?????


Also, the second unit of spearmen is still better points than a unit of archers.

[hoya4life3381]

Where did he put his characters?

[Prince_Asuryan]

His army is really fundamentally solid--it just doesn't have any of the high elf buzz-word stuff in it , like 'star dragon', 'Battle Banner', 'Banner of Sorcery', or 'Skeinsliver'. It's got really good economy, there's nothing in it that's excessive or exhorbitant, and it all served a specific purpose. The only exception to this in my opinion is the 2nd spearmen unit. The first one has its uses, but I don't know how you'd get the points back for the 2nd one consistently.

Spear units are great - on their own they can wipe the floor with light, and some heavy, infantry. With a character they can take on almost all infantry and medium cavalry like Empire knights, Questing knights and Silver Helms.

A second units, even without a character is a good flank guard, as well as providing a nice table-contestant on the cheap (for HE)

[AJ21st]

I think one of the unique characteristic of this army is the 3 chariots. I happen to read it somewhere that the player (Lance of the Warmonger?) uses variation of this list where there are 3 chariots with 2 Nobles in it, if I'm not mistaken.