Mass Effect 3's ending....

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Re: Mass Effect 3's ending....

#61 Post by Eldacar »

Regarding the firepower of the Reapers, a Sovereign-class is spelled out to be unable to hold out against the combined firepower of four dreadnoughts at once (which fire 38kT blasts from their main guns) in the Codex, and that four will "typically" result in destruction (i.e. four is a solid advantage and more than enough to destroy the Reaper a majority of the time, barring special circumstances). Those aren't Thanix cannon numbers, just the standard. It can - to an extent - handle three, but that's already more than pushing it. In reverse, a Sovereign-class Reaper's main gun is somewhere in the range of 132-454kT (the races of the galaxy aren't entirely sure how much). Their shields, while powerful, can be bypassed by Thanix-class weapons, GARDIAN lasers and Javelin missiles (at least partially), and a Destroyer-class Reaper can be brought down by even a single cruiser and/or many fighters (again, according to the Codex) if they can get in close before they themselves are destroyed.

In any case, a Reaper is not an invincible force. Powerful, yes, but not unstoppable. Given that the Reaper cycle is coming about almost a thousand years late, it's quite possible that organic life as a whole is pushing closer to the Reaper technology levels. The Reapers (and Vent Boy the leader) can no longer be assured of technical superiority over the galaxy. Interestingly, had the cycle not been late, humanity wouldn't be at culling-levels, and would (perhaps along with the Yahg) have been the dominant race in the next cycle.
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Re: Mass Effect 3's ending....

#62 Post by The Silly Dragon »

An interesting discussion found here: http://www.1up.com/news/mass-effect-3-e ... ed-cut-dlc

It also points to a free dlc of an extended ending. Not sure if this is true but sounds like what could potentially fix the problem. I will stay hate the Crucible though and the choose A, B or C at the end but if they aren't going to change then the best way to show my disapproval is to now resfuse to buy any of their games in the future.

A good point was made there as well with the destruction of the Relays and the masses of fleets being left stranded at Earth. Earth was in ruins so i presume not much is left of it and its resources and even then the food there will not be able to be eaten by the different species thus dooming the fleets there, so Earth is lost regardless. Also as the Relays are all now gone the speices will not be able to get the rescources needed to survive effectively making the whole Crucible ending kill off the entire galaxy. This is not a good ending as even with the Crucible the galaxy is lost anyways.

I didn't see the 'Sheperd survives ending' so am going to play it again (shouldn't take long as my 2nd play through save is at the point of retaking Earth anyways). Perhaps a refresh of the ending will get me thinking more of the pro and cons.

EDIT: I was just about to play the ending again but wanted to make sure i had enough war assets for the secret scene. As it turns out i cannot get enough if i don't play the multiplayer...WTF? I didn't care much for the multiplayer as it would please those who like to play online but to actually make it impact the single player campagin by so much is just plain retarded! Why should i have to play hours online to get a 20 second cutscene? So instead i simply watched it on youtube as to not waste so much more time on ME3. Its 5000 war assets needed after readiness so with the 50% 'penalty' for not playing multiplayer mine was at a maximum of 3500...thats 1500 less then what i need... :evil: I hate you Bioware i really do... :evil:

Also another point is why the Normandy was speeding away from the battle with all your crew. Even the ones that were with you before running through Harbingers lasers. How did they get there? Why would they leave as we need them them the most? It was obvious that Bioware wanted Sheperd alone in the final minutes of the game but that just leaves too many confusing moments in their cutscenes. Like Joker climbing out of the Normandy and thinking its all going to be ok. Well guess what its not going to be ok!?!? Unless your extremely lucky to land on a planet with the same foods as Earth then your going to either die as you can't survive or go crazy like in Jaobs mission in ME2 looking for his father.

EDIT: This is a good video to watch that explains why theres alot of hatred towards the ending:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M0Cf864P7E
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Re: Mass Effect 3's ending....

#63 Post by Headshot »

Back to the ending....

Yes indeed, Bioware made a statement that they are going to release an extended ending DLC (for free, no less!) sometime this summer. And that, no, they would not change the endings, or add new ones, but that they would add extended scenes (seemingly not gameplay) to add 'clarity' and 'closure'. Make of that what you will.

The only thing that gives me a glimmer of hope is that somewhere Weekes (who is part of the team working on the extended cut) said that the starkid is 'not to be trusted'. Since the only survive ending now is the 'destroy' one, perhaps they will spin it as the starkid being a last ditch trick by the reapers.

Shrug.

Also, here's a long, but fun, youtube video diagnosing the ending:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MlatxLP-xs

And here is the one that made me laugh the most:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b33tJx8iy0A

And for the more textually inclined, the California Literary Review's take on the game:

http://calitreview.com/24673

Finally, this being the internet, an infinite space (for new forms of porn distribution!) groups have congealed just to discuss the ending, and apply political/economic pressure on Bioware/EA. Here's one:

http://www.holdtheline.com/

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Re: Mass Effect 3's ending....

#64 Post by Elaithnir »

While I loved Mass Effect 1 and 2, I'm not as...invested...in the series as some, and I have not played 3. I have, however, been reading a lot about the ending and the backlash and have to admit, I think I'll rather stick with 2 and forget 3 ever happened. Maybe some day in the far future I'll get it on bargain 3 in 1 release and play all the way through. What I do find fascinating is the (recent I think) rise of fans demanding more from their authors. Witness the ME3 backlash, The Fans vs. George Lucas, the Game of Thrones series... Interesting times.
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#65 Post by The Silly Dragon »

It sure is interesting times. What with the internet people are able to 'band together' and have a voice. Just look at some of the uprising in the middle east as the 'rebels' organise through things like Facebook and Twitter.

The thing with me is that i have witnessed the ending and as hard as i try to forget it i just can't. My advice to you Elaithnir is to go play the game (as its pretty good mostly) but stop immediatly when Harbinger lands in London (last mission), go no further than this if you want to keep fond memories of Mass Effect. I can't even bring myself to play ME2 again as i think "what does it matter if i destroy the Collector base as the Illusive man still salvages what he needs for ME3".
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Re: Mass Effect 3's ending....

#66 Post by Aryel »

So, a little Threadomancy to give those who don't know a heads up. June 26 is the release of the Extended Cut, for free. around 1.9gb of new content.

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Re: Mass Effect 3's ending....

#67 Post by The Silly Dragon »

Aryel wrote:So, a little Threadomancy to give those who don't know a heads up. June 26 is the release of the Extended Cut, for free. around 1.9gb of new content.

Cheers.
Yeah i've been thinking about that DLC for a while now and have come to a personal conclusion that i will not download it! If they aren't letting me have a forth option of rejecting the Star Child's choices then i don't want it. They aren't going to change anything only add to existing content...so more loopholes and more availability for EA to milk the franchise for DLC galore!

More closure? We had closure and its not what people are demanding we are demanding that the ending makes sense and as long as the Starchild stays (Indoctrination Theory or not) its still a crap ending and no amount of free GB DLC will change this. If it gets rid of the A,B,C endings or added more or simply showed Sheperd killing the Starchild as you make your colour decision then i may actually have got it.

But it isn't going to so i say F**k off Bioware i hate you! And EA? Theres a reason why you are voted best...no wait...WORST company in America! (ABOVE all the Banks too! :lol:) Congrates! =D>

As for my opinion on the Indoctrination Theory if people are wondering. 'Its a valiant attempt by fans to make sense of the ending' thats it. It half makes sense but if it becomes the 'true' ending then Bioware are the biggest Trolls or they released a game without an ending when everyone bought it essentially for the ending! I don't believe the writers at Bioware could think up the IT anyways maybe some chimps with typewriters could do better...actually i'm certain of it!

Little rant over, bloody hell it still gets the blood boiling when i talk about this issue.

rEApers...

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