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Re: StarCraft II, Wings of Liberty

#31 Post by lathian »

A platinum zerg player with 5 games? I feel really sorry for you. :(

I play it still, but I don't give out my live ID to freind etc. See if you can spot me in the ladder if I wind up playing you. :p
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#32 Post by NoOoDLe »

Ooft.. Looks like Lathian was right.. My 5/5 record dropped to 10/33.. Including a few matches vs. the top 10 in my ladder though.. =P

And I'm getting niftier.. Sadly the only way to win with Zerg in Platinum seems to be Zergling Rush.. Cause otherwise you get molested with Marines or Zealots. Or.. If you're lucky and they don't rush you.. You'll get molested with flyers.

So.. KEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKE.
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Re: StarCraft II, Wings of Liberty

#33 Post by EricJ »

I can't help but feel that you're not scouting enough. If you start off good when you're not smacked around by lots of early marines but instead suddenly find yourself faceraped by Banshees or something, you need to keep better track of what your opponent is doing. Stuff like Banshees or Void Rays should never come as a surprise.

It's true that both Protoss and Terran can hide tech fairly easy, but I find that a good way of dealing with that is to keep harassing them with speedlings, roaches or whatever while you keep expanding. When under a lot of pressure, many players are eager to bring their new-built Void Rays onto your army of Roaches instead of attacking your base.
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Re: StarCraft II, Wings of Liberty

#34 Post by NoOoDLe »

They actually tend to just shut off their base completely with a wall, disable baneling bust with mass marines and tanks behind the wall and spam turrets so mutas are basically hopeless as well.. And then just sit there 'till they max out on battlecruisers.

So.. I lack the knowledge on how to deal with this.. I can fend off the incoming battlecruisers with corruptors but how the heck do I break his defense? =S He detects all my hidden roaches, even a a big rush of banelings followed up by hydras and ultra's get pounded to pulp before doing any significant damage. Basically, how do you break a Terran or Protoss that plays "points denial"?
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#35 Post by lathian »

Most zerg are forced into outmacroing the hell out of the other guy, using mutas to harass workers and deny expansions, and basically wait until the other guy starves to death.
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#36 Post by NoOoDLe »

Ugh.. Lame. Anyways, decided to drop to bronze league so I can gain some more experience before working my way up again. =3

I'll try to starve the next point denying shitface.. <.<'
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#37 Post by EricJ »

NoOoDLe wrote:Anyways, decided to drop to bronze league
A totally concious decision, I see. ;)

Lathian is right, by the way. You likely can't bust the Terran choke early-game, so if it fails, don't knock yourself bloody against it. Instead keep him on his toes with Mutas (or whatever suits) and keep a close eye on what he's doing. Zergs are prone to fast-expanding, so while you're doing that you need to be the map-keeper. You need to keep a watchful eye on what he's doing, (scouts at every expansion) not to let him onto too many resource-fields and basically counter his every move to break free of his Zerg-jail. Be well aware (and I cannot stress this enough) that you can only do this if you know his tech. If you don't, you'll stand there with you Roach army and face a bunch of Battlecruisers which rolls over your defences and lets him expand into what is ultimately your defeat.

1. Scout the opponent. Counter what he's doing.
2. Contain his expansions (this means harassing) while expanding yourself.
3. Bring your massive Zerg army to bear, striking at his weakest point when he's devoid of means to defend himself.
4. Win.
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#38 Post by lathian »

If it really bothers you, you should try to master nydus worms. They let you bypass choke, but are hard to use, and rarely used. I've never seen anyone do it, but if I were to try it, I would open with a strong push of banelings, blow their supply, production and tech, then poke in with your zerglings to try to cut down his workers.
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#39 Post by NoOoDLe »

Hmm.. I'll just have to work on my scouting and countering skills it seems..

Since my last few games I've found that I'm prone to fail epically against terrans because they can pretty much wall off everything and unload a shitload of bullets on you if you try to make it stop. Protoss are a bit more vulnerable considering the fact that their entire defense and offensive reinforcements shut down for as long as you keep killing the pylons.
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NoOoDLe wrote:Anyways, decided to drop to bronze league
A totally concious decision, I see. ;)
Obviously. <.<' Was really weird actually cause I was demoted after winning a few games in Plat.. O_o
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Re: StarCraft II, Wings of Liberty

#40 Post by lathian »

Well, Terran are getting nerf batted down a little this Tuesday for a reason while Toss and Zerg are staying basically the same.
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#41 Post by Allerion »

Bought the game a few days ago after playing for about a month on friends guest passes.

fun stuff

*edit*

any other protoss player think theyre going to get zergling rushed a lot more because zealot spawn time was increased?
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#42 Post by lathian »

I use a cannon and 2 probes when I scout a zerg rush, so I don't care.
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#43 Post by NoOoDLe »

Threadomancy time! Considering we have enough people on here that play and they don't like us in the jacuzzi thread..

So.. I promoted to Gold league yesterday! :D Immediately to Rank 2 in my division, I liek. =3

I think I should really start using Infestors more and effectively using T2 and T3 units. Any tips?

Also, I'm having a difficulty dealing with thors.. I don't really know what to do about them considering they're usually hidden between a lot of marauders so I can't surround them with zerglings before the poor things get blown to bits.. =/ I've tried the forums but.. Too much trolls to get any solid advice.
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#44 Post by Allerion »

Classes got canceled on wednesday, due to copious amounts of snow. So I played until I was promoted to plat :D

Maybe neutral parasiting the Thors? especially if you want to use infestors more
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#45 Post by NoOoDLe »

Was thinking that but.. There's usually a lot of Thors on the field before I can get Infestors with Neural Parasite.. But my problem is probably that I don't expand fast enough.
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#46 Post by Allerion »

Maybe play a couple practice games where you say youre going to expand every 5 minutes?
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#47 Post by lathian »

I was at rank 1 diamond for a little while. Then the stat reset hit. Then my wireless modem decided it didn't like me and I lost 15 straight games to disconnect. :P
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:lol: good job on diamond :) how long until masters?
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Some time and a lot of catching up after I get a new router probably.
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http://www.sc2ranks.com/team/8883700

(Platinum, yay!)

As you can see, I don't play a lot nowadays, but I do feel I'm learning something from most games. In particular, I've grown more and more comfortable taking my third base at a more reasonable time, and also going Hatchery-first on a lot of maps. It is obvious really, but on a map like Caverns, the only opening from Protoss that you really fear is the Proxy Two-Gate, and even if you do end up not being able to defend your expansion, you're still in a pretty good shape in your main with multiple Spine Crawlers and Zerglings.

Likewise, I've taken the habit of putting down my third base right about when I move out around 8-10 minutes. From there on, I go into mostly micro-mode, (drones gets produced of course) trying to deal some damage while preserving the health of the army. While I seldom do some lasting damage, the new expansion is usually done when I must retreat, and so I can go back to ramping up the economy even more and end up with that maxed-out midgame army of lings, blings, roaches, mutas, whatever.

That's where most games end -- I still suck at transitioning into Hive-tech, as well as claiming those zillions of bases Zergs need to maintain their gas-heavy elite army of Broodlords and Ultralisks. When I win, it's most often on three bases, constantly denying the opponents third. Playing the waiting game can suck, but it does feels good repeatedly beating those armies that moves out to secure expansions -- when you're ahead, don't rush in for the kill: get more ahead. :)
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#51 Post by EricJ »

Still at Platinum, however...

I attended a LAN-party this weekend, and got to play in a tournament where almost everyone was Diamond-ranked. (A few were Masters, a couple of others where Platinum)

I did really well. I got put into the losers bracket after the second match by a Master-ranked player, but there I pounded another Platinum-player as well as two or three Diamond ones before finally being eliminated.

I was particularly happy after a game on Metalopolis, close-by-air position against a Diamond Terran, where I had some nice Nydus action that allowed me to double-expand into denying his third by Banelings and mass Roaches. If anyone's interested, I'll put up my favourite replays from the tournament.

All in all, I feel Diamond League is within reach... If I can find the time to play on the ladder some more, that is.
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#52 Post by Allerion »

Nice Job! definitely interested in watching the replays.

school is almost done (last final on monday) so i might have some time to play 1v1. Anyone else find 1v1s pretty stressfull?
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#53 Post by Facade19 »

Allerion, I am going to be done with my finals next Friday. If you want maybe we can play a few rounds. What do you think?
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How many Ulthuanites are playing, by the way? If there'd be enough, I'm thinking that a Ulthuan Tournament would be pretty cool.

If only a handful, perhaps a 3v3/4v4 US vs EU match series instead, Ryder Cup-style?
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#56 Post by Allerion »

That would be awesome, except cross-server NA-EU or EU-NA is impossible at the moment. :(

Unless people would be willing to share accounts, it might be a bit difficult.
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#57 Post by Facade19 »

Cool, thanks Allerion. I will add you next Friday when I am reinstalling the game on that day. Any time sooner and it will be a great distraction.

And Eric, that sounds awesome man! I think there would be enough of us to get a 3 v 3 going. :D
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#58 Post by Allerion »

I should be online this Saturday night, got a few things going on this weekend so Im not sure if Ill be online friday night
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#59 Post by Facade19 »

Yea no worries. The way I see it, I will have a long summer ahead of me. :)
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Can't play cross server sadly =/ But yeah, would be awesome to have an Ulthuan cup xD
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