BSB and Army General

[Danidude]

So my gaming group have started disgussing a interesting topic and was wondering what people on this forum might think of it.

So say you have a lvl2 high elf wizard as a general and a high elf noble BSB. Is this an iliegal setup?

In the rulebook it says the general needs to be the one with the highest LD and thats the noble, however he is the BSB an can not be the general.

[Prince of Spires]

No. Only models eligible to be general are taken into account when choosing your general.

Rod

[Danidude]

Oh? On what page do it say that?

[Asurion Whitestar]

Oh? On what page do it say that?

Well, it doesn't.

It's common sense.
If the BSB can't be the general, he can't be..
He wouldn't be counted for highest Ld as he can't be the general.
Why would you count him in for general if he can't be?

Rod is completely correct.
:3

Edit: if you want a page reference, 107, under BSB; "the model that carries the battle standard cannot be the General.".

[Prince of Spires]

We've had a pretty lengthy discussion on this before in Do the rules really support a general with lower LD than BSB.

The conclusion is that the rules don't rule it either way, since they are simply contradictory rules. So we play the way most people play, which is that the BSB and his LD is not counted when considering characters for general. If you want a length answer:

1. the general is the highest leadership character.
2. the BSB is a character.
3. the BSB though not being a candidate for the general remains a character in spite of this.
4. the book is clear that the general is chosen in the list-building phase (a time when we know a player has to sometimes make difficult decisions under constraints, such as rare unit allocation, etc.)
5. the BSB is an optional character and the General is mandatory

This I think we can all agree on. It's simply what is written in the BRB. I would also add into this list, a BSB is not allowed to be the general (which is almost always the case).

-If you have a list that would have a BSB with a higher leadership than your eligible general, that is not an overridden rule but a list that according to applied rules is illegal.

This however, is not written in the BRB. It is a leap to a conclusion that is not written down anywhere.

Basically, The problem is the following:
- General is the guy with the highest LD
- BSB can not be general.

Nowhere is written down what happens when the BSB has the highest LD. 2 solutions are being suggested:
1. Your BSB can't have a higher LD, so you can't take him if he does.
2. Your BSB isn't eligible to be general, so he is left out of the list of characters when choosing a general.

Neither of these is actually written down in the BRB. So it is left up to the player which option he choses. Because there is nothing written down anywhere about this issue, there is no way to resolve this, except by applying logic not found anywhere. Which means this discussion will keep going in circles...

Seeing as how there is no proof for either of these, I would like to add in a question: Seeing how it is a pretty important decision and how HE are not the only race that have the option to have a BSB with higher LD then the general (I think most races can have one). If we have been playing it wrong all these years, wouldn't GW have stepped in and released an FAQ at some point? That is the best argument I can think of in this discussion for sollution #2.

#1 simply has no precedent, so when you have to chose between 2 interpretations that are unsupported by the rules, you pick the one that does have a precedent in that everybody plays it that way.

Rod

Rod

[Danidude]

Thanks for the awsners

[Loriel]

this could be nice question for Eiriks ruling faq