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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 9:26 am 
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With the new book and new rules, in the best of GW traditions, there are many issues comming up over how to interpret and play the rules. For this reason I think it's a good idea to collect all issues that we feel need to be faq-ed here in one topic. Once we have a decent list, we'll see about getting as many answers as we can from GW. Now, I have absolutely no connections inside GW, so no guarantees that it will actually work. But it's worth a try. Even if only to collect all unclear issues.

So please post any issue you feel needs to be faq-ed here. I'll collect them in the next post down. A short paragraph describing why it's an faq issue is welcome.

Also if you know anyone of authority in GW who can get these answered either PM me, or point him/her here :)

Note, this is not a discussion topic. Any posts discussing rules get removed.

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Questions:

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- does arcane unforgiving completely destroy an item (so destroyed magic armour also doesn't give the mundane armour save anymore)?
- if yes to the above, does a BSB stop being the battlestandard bearer if he loses his magical battlestandard?
- if arcane unforgiving destroys a magical banner from the standardbearer of a unit, does the unit also lose the standard bearer (and thus the +1 to combat resolution)?
- How does Arcane Unforging work with Dwarf Runes? If there are multiple runes on a magic item, is the entire item destroyed, or just the one rune? Do you randomize between individual runes, or between runic items? Can you destroy war machines with runes inscribed on them?
- What happens with the wardsave a mage gained from the High Magic lore attribute if the mage leaves his unit (for instance when using smoke and mirrors). Does it stay on the mage, stay on unit or both?
- Can a unit use "walk between worlds" to move even if he wouldn't be allowed to move in the remaining moves subphase, for instance because it is fleeing or has failed a charge?
- Can a unit use "walk between world" to move through a garrisoned building?
- Does a unit with the fly special rule use his flying move when moving with "walk between worlds"?
- Can a character leave a unit with Walk Between Worlds?
- Does a unit moved by Walk Between Worlds count as moving? E.g. Can i move a bolt thrower and still fire it in the shooting phase?
- If a unit has magic resistance and is affected by Shield of Saphery in such a way that its wardsave against a spell goes above 3+, what is their wardsave?
- Can drain magic remove spell effects that last until the end of the game, like plague of rust?
- Do character mounts benefit from the character buffs of lore of beasts (Pann's impenetrable pelt and Savage beast of horos)?
- Does normal open ground count as terrain for curse spell for beasts?
- Can the Book of Hoeth be used to reroll a casting die from a bound spell the bearer has?

characters
- does a mounted character benefit from the shield of merwyrm 4+ parry save?
- does a character benefit from the shield of merwyrm 4+ parry save if he is using another weapon then a hand weapon?
- Can the Reaver Bow use its multiple shots rule when it's on a character/champion in a unit of sisters/archers while the unit itself shoots one time each?
- Can the shadow armour be used together with light armour/heavy armour/dragon armour? Like for instance the dragon helm, shadow armour doesn't state it is light armour/heavy armour.
- Is the golden crown used before or after armour saves are taken?

special rules
- Does blizzard aura stack for -2 strength (or more)?
- does the fireborn rule granted by dragon armour give the 2+ save also to his mount if he is mounted on a monstrous mount (like a dragon)?
- What happens if a model has multiple rules of "always strike first" and "always strike last"? For instance a unit of white lions of chrace under the influence of blizzard aura. Do they strike last or do they strike in initiative?

units
- Can the sky cutter (and flying chariots in general) march?
- Do the Flamespire Phoenix fly-over attacks count as magical?
- Can the Flamespire phoenix make 2 fly-over attacks in 1 turn by using "walk between worlds"?

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Do you want links to the relevant discussion threads or just the questions themselves?

Thanks for compiling :)

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preferably both. But at least the question itself.

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Can flying chariots march?
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I thought we agreed that the battle standard is an upgrade, not an item and therefore cannot be destroyed? A BSB is still a BSB even if he does not carry a magic standard.


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Do the Fire Phoenix fly-over attacks count as magical?
Can the Reaver Bow use its multiple shots rule when it's on a character/champion in a unit of sisters/archers while the unit itself shoots one time each?
Does Fireborn confer its ward save vs flaming attacks to a mount ridden by its bearer?

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Did we establish whether or not Walk Between Worlds and Fire Pheonix would allow a second bombing run in a turn?

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I am still not sure if you can destroy a magic banner on a unit standard bearer with arcane unforging if the hit kills the model and another "picks up" the standard.

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Ferny wrote:
Did we establish whether or not Walk Between Worlds and Fire Pheonix would allow a second bombing run in a turn?


There's presedence from the VC book + faq that it does :)

Add to list: If a unit of PG sports the Spellshield on the champ and is affected by Shield of Saphery, what is their ward save against spells?

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Two from the brb that will come up for he more now:
Does beasts +3a+3s spell also affect mount? Does normal open ground count as terrain for curse spell for beasts?

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Curu Olannon wrote:
Ferny wrote:
Did we establish whether or not Walk Between Worlds and Fire Pheonix would allow a second bombing run in a turn?


There's presedence from the VC book + faq that it does :)

Add to list: If a unit of PG sports the Spellshield on the champ and is affected by Shield of Saphery, what is their ward save against spells?

A Keeper of the Flame can only take magic weapons..

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Updated the list

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Please stop discussing rule points.

The arguments for boths sides are often clear, but either inconclusive or don't convince everyone and thus need an FAQ. That is the aim of this topic, collecting unclear rules to get an official answer, not to argue them until we have a most likely answer (especially since non-HE forums will likely reach a different conclusion on many points).

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Ferny wrote:
Does normal open ground count as terrain for curse spell for beasts?


Not sure if this was skipped intentionally because to generic or because it's a none-question (answer known) or was just missed, but just in case, bumped.

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Here is a question I picked up from another Forum.

The Golden Crown states that the bearer "bestows a 2+ ward save against the first wounding hit suffered by the wearer"

Now the argument is that a wounding hit is not the same as a wound. So does the Crown kick in before or after you have tried your armour save?

http://www.wargamerau.com/forum/index.p ... pic=153259

Personally I don't care which way it is ruled as I use the Crown to save vs. Cannon Balls where there wouldn't be an armour save anyway.

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Can the shield of the merwrym be used even on horseback?

Seriously doubt it but it'd be nice to have a clear ruling.

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Can a character leave a unit with Walk Between Worlds?

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Great list, certianly alot of good questions already.


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Does a unit moved by Walk Between Worlds count as moving? E.g. Can i move a bolt thrower and still fire it in the shooting phase?

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Does the Shield of Merwyrm grant a 6+ AS? I gather the text on this doesn't specify that it does.

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Ferny wrote:
Does the Shield of Merwyrm grant a 6+ AS? I gather the text on this doesn't specify that it does.


Yes. The rules for this item are: "Shield. Unless he is... *etcetera*"


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How does Arcane Unforging work with Dwarf Runes? If there are multiple runes on a magic item, is the entire item destroyed, or just the one rune? Do you randomize between individual runes, or between runic items? Can you destroy war machines with runes inscribed on them?


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Updated the list. It looks like we've collected most of the pressing issues. I'll see about emailing it to GW later today / tomorrow.

Still no-one here who works for / has connections in the GW faq team?

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Does Giladis not have a few contacts? From his other posts it always seems like he is one step ahead of the rest of us with respect to rumours, playtesting and release dates, etc. I haven't seen him around of late though.


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Can book of Hoeth be used to reroll a die when casting a bound spell?
Are re-rolls considered modifiers?

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Think this is worth adding to the list.

Can Drain Magic be cast on a unit (hex or augment) where it will have no affect (ie. No existing spells in affect) in order to obtain the Lore Attribute.


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-Will a Loremaster of Hoeth know all spells from the BRB if he is using a wizard's tower?

-Does the Flamespyre Phoenix get +1 to wound on his Wake of Fire special rule when a Gem of sunfire is used by its rider?

-Does the reckless rule on a dragon mage of caledor also imply that he does not get +1 (or +2) to dispel for his level or is this not considerd a bonus?


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@evinkuruga and @XViper: Thank you for submitting your questions. Unfortunatly, I have already submitted the list to the GW faq team. You can submit them yourself @ gamefaqs@gwplc.com or you can go over to the warhammer forum, where they are also creating a HE faq list.

As for the questions itself:

Drain magic is a hex/augment. Targeting restrictions are:
- doesn't have to be in forward arc
- does not need line of sight
- target must must lie within the spell's range
- can be targeted at a unit in close combat
As long as those are met, the target is a valid (if gamey) target

Loremaster knows all spells. No reason why he wouldn't. Wizards tower allows having multiple lores. There are plenty of wizards that don't have a choice regarding the lore they pick. They all get the benefit, so the loremaster gets it too. Simply ask yourself: does a skaven plague priest (who always has spells from the skaven lore of plague) benefit from the wizards tower? if he does then so does the loremaster.

Gem of Sunfire text specifically mentions that "the bearer" gets the benefits. The bearer is the guy on top. So mounts don't benefit. Unless you want to argue that the starlance (which uses the same wording) also gives +3S to a stardragon/phoenix/horse.

Of course the reckless rule means that the dragon mage doesn't get his +1 / +2 from his wizard level. It's a bonus "of any kind". What other bonus is there that the dragon mage can get?

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Gem of sunfire says rider and mount (if he has one)

Loremaster rule needs eratta before it can be said its either way

I specificly asked if the level boost is considerd a bonus or not
if it is then of course he doesn't get it.


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How does Arcane Unforging work with Dwarf Runes? If there are multiple runes on a magic item, is the entire item destroyed, or just the one rune? Do you randomize between individual runes, or between runic items? Can you destroy war machines with runes inscribed on them?


Randomise on weapon, armour, enchanted, arcane or standard.
E.g
Dwarf Lord with
Master Rune of Steel, Rune of Preservation & Rune of Resistance = magical armour
Rune of Might & Rune of Striking = magical weapon
Randomise between the two items.

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