Is Lifebloom a Resurrection Like Spell?

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Is Lifebloom a Resurrection Like Spell?

#1 Post by Talifan »

Hello All!

So my friend and I got into a debate over Lore of Life's Lore Attribute, Lifebloom.

The debate was started after a possible misinterpretation over what the attribute does. My friend took it as a resurrection attribute as it states that when a spell from Life is cast, the Wizard/Mage who casts the spell or another friendly unit within 12" instantly recovers a wound.

He took this to say that if a unit within the 12" range had suffered a loss, then one of the models who had been killed would come back.

My interpretation was different by saying that if a model with more than 1W had suffered a wound, that would suffered would be lost.

What do you all think on this and has this happened before for anyone?
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#2 Post by dabber »

Clearly not. Regaining a wound and regaining a model are distinctly different things. Nothing in the Lifebloom wording does anything to indicate a model can be regained.
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#3 Post by Asurion Whitestar »

I'm pretty sure we discussed this here a little while ago.
The going consensus was that: NO, it doesn't work like Regrowth.

Your right for the win Tal. :)
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#4 Post by Talifan »

Thanks for the Clarification Asurion and dabber. I kind of thought that I was correct in its meaning, but my friend was quite sure that it did act like regrowth.
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#5 Post by pk-ng »

Triple confirmation your friend has misunderstood the meaning.

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#6 Post by Nicene »

Threadromancy!

Can lifebloom be used to restore wounds to multi-wound models in a unit? Like Trolls, for example. Similarly, can the Vampire lore attribute restore wounds to Crypt Horrors?
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#7 Post by Baleanoon »

Nicene wrote:Threadromancy!

Can lifebloom be used to restore wounds to multi-wound models in a unit? Like Trolls, for example. Similarly, can the Vampire lore attribute restore wounds to Crypt Horrors?
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#8 Post by elthran »

Of course it can. In fact, the only thing it can do is restore a wound to a model with multiple wounds. That's the only purpose of this spell.
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elthran wrote:Of course it can. In fact, the only thing it can do is restore a wound to a model with multiple wounds. That's the only purpose of this spell.
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#10 Post by Nicene »

So let's say there is a unit of four trolls, which had lost exactly 3 wounds (meaning exactly one troll has been removed). Are you saying that Lifebloom can be used to restore a wound to that unit? Would you add the fourth troll back to the unit, and note that the unit has two wounds floating on it?
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#11 Post by SpellArcher »

No because you need a wounded model (Attribute wording says "model") within 12" to recover the wound. The fourth troll has departed hence is not available to benefit.
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#12 Post by Nicene »

So the attribute works on trolls when they have taken 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, and 8 wounds, but not on trolls who taken 3, 6, or 9 wounds? This seems a little strange.
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#13 Post by SpellArcher »

I know what you mean Nicene because normally multi-wound model units treat the wounds as a pool. But the wording on Lifebloom is very specific.
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#14 Post by Curu Olannon »

Nicene wrote:So the attribute works on trolls when they have taken 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, and 8 wounds, but not on trolls who taken 3, 6, or 9 wounds? This seems a little strange.
Correct. When do you have lifebloom with trolls? Wizarding hat Ong? :)
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#15 Post by Asurion Whitestar »

Curu Olannon wrote:
Nicene wrote:So the attribute works on trolls when they have taken 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, and 8 wounds, but not on trolls who taken 3, 6, or 9 wounds? This seems a little strange.
Correct. When do you have lifebloom with trolls? Wizarding hat Ong? :)
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@ Nicene, it seems a little strange how you've worded this..
Wouldn't it be easier to count the number of wounds suffered by each multi wound model in a unit individually?. Considering multi wound model units are removed one at a time like other casualties, it's a lot easier to simply say a wounded model gets a wound back (exactly how the lore attribute describes). If the model is dead it's not wounded. Trolls for instance only have 3 wounds so it's impossible for them to suffer more than that, and there's no need to keep track of how many wounds have been suffered by the unit as a total, only from phase to phase for panic and CR.
Remember that the attribute affects a single model, not a unit of models. You need to be within range to the wounded model itself, and only count it's wounds that it has suffered. You don't even have to count them, if it's more than 0 wounds suffered you can restore one, simple. :)

I know what you mean. It's just very strange to see something worded like this.
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#16 Post by Nicene »

I asked because I was not sure a unit of trolls could be considered to contain "single models." Rather, it's just a unit. Can you target a unit of Trolls with Spirit Leech?

This comes up often when playing with Lore of the Vampires, and units like Crypt Horrors.
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#17 Post by mcmulligan »

Nicene wrote:I asked because I was not sure a unit of trolls could be considered to contain "single models." Rather, it's just a unit. Can you target a unit of Trolls with Spirit Leech?

This comes up often when playing with Lore of the Vampires, and units like Crypt Horrors.
Yes you can target trolls with Spirit Leach. However you target 1 troll, so the wounds aren't shared with the unit. You can target any single individual model with that spell.

Think of a spell like dwellers, where every model in a unit takes a strength test. Clearly there is still the quantifiable measurement of "model" within the measurement of "unit".
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#18 Post by Nicene »

Thanks!
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