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PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 5:59 pm 
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The Sea Elves come out to play again! I know full well this is not optimal, but for now, I'm going to roll with something like this until I get more 8th ed friendly units painted.

Prince
Dragon Armour, Shield, Halberd
Helm of Fortune, Talisman of Preservation (4+ ward)
Moon Dragon

Noble
BSB
Great Weapon, Armour of Caledor, Amulet of Light

Mage
Level 2
Dispel Scroll
Lore of Life

20 Sea Guard
shields, full command
Banner of the Eternal Flame

20 Spearmen
full command

10 Archers

19 Phoenix Guard
full command
Banner of Arcane Protection
(BSB here)

5 Dragon Princes

2 Repeater Bolt Throwers

2 Eagles

2246pts

Basically models I already have painted. Lore of Life is so fluffy for these, and was my original idea when I first thought up the sea elves - but the lore was rubbish last ed... now with the little traits, it can really help HE's where we stuggle.
The Dragon is still a dragon.... despite having to downgrade to a moon dragon and the rules change... the thunder stomp coupled with its breath in combat could still see a crucial charge turn the game, the BSB and the phoenix guard will still be the unmovable wall it was in 7th... 2+ ward vs spells is nice!

I'll have to see how the dragon princes fare now. Okay they can't break ranks... but on the charge supporting an infantry block they will make the difference.

Low on numbers. Low on magic. In future lists I will add more mages in - probably an archmage over the prince on dragon.. but at least with the new rules the level 2 can actually cast stuff.

Thoughts?

EDIT - I missed off the moon dragon from the list originally....

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:33 pm 
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Prince 538
Dragon Armour, Shield, Halberd
Helm of Fortune, Talisman of Preservation (4+ ward)
Moon Dragon

should be...

Prince 542
Great Weapon
Armor of Caledor, Vambraces of Defense,
Moon Dragon

or

Prince 525
Dragon Armour, Lance
Enchanted Shield, Vambraces of Defense
Moon Dragon


Noble 158
BSB
Great Weapon, Armour of Caledor, Amulet of Light

could be...

Noble 168
BSB
Great Weapon, Silver Steel Armor, Potion of Recklessness
(Silver Steel Armor = Armor of Caledor but 45pts and not Dragon Armor)
(Potion of Recklessness = one use, Immute to Psychology and killing blow)


Need 2 mages like these:

Mage 185
Level 2
Scroll of Reaction
Lore of Life

Mage 165
Level 2
Trickster's Pendant
Lore of Metal


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:20 pm 
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I disagree I think the halberd is better because I seriously doubt we'll be getting re-rollable great weapon hits. It also means you can spend ten points less on armour if you use Enchanted Sheild and Vambraces and then you can use Armour of Caledor on the BSB who needs it more in my opinion if you're playing him on foot.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:27 pm 
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I worry about the Prince in combat as he can't use his shield since the halberd is a two-handed weapon. Saving him will depend on that ward save.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:37 pm 
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Then buy the Sword of Might with the ten points an Halberd points.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 9:15 am 
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Thanks guys. Regarding the Prince - the 562 points you are limited to at 2250 is so annoying... I've made another list where the Prince is almost bare... but he rides a Star Dragon

Prince
Sword of Might
Enchanted Shield
Dragon Armour
Star Dragon
554pts

So, undoubtedly the Prince will die. A 2+ save and thats it. Although the amount of flaming attacks I think will increase in general, and people will take the lore of metal a lot still... so perhaps he may survive occasionally! But a star dragon is so much better than the moon variant and will likely pass its monster reaction with Ld9 anyway. The models first job is to get rid of support units, and maybe even war machines... then support the infantry later in the game, it can do this without the Prince on top...

The rest of the modified list is as follows

Noble
BSB
great weapon
Armour of Caledor
Guardian Phoenix
168pts

Now this guy IS important, so I've found the points to give him the ward save. Hopefully if we get re rolls to hit even with GWs he'll be even more awesome.. if it's eratted that we dont, I'll swap to halberd. (That will also match his unit he'll join of Phoenix Guard)

Mage
level 2
Lore of Life
Annulian Crystal
175pts

In future lists I will use at least 2 level 2s, but for this event I'm using the models I already have painted. I still think one level2 can output a decent amount of spells, and the lore of life looks to work well with HEs. A shame the buff of healing a wound for every successful cast is only 12"... would be useful on the dragon lord. Sometimes I might be near enough I guess, and if I need to be I can certainly make sure I am. Annulian Crystal looks even better in this edition now too. (if they roll a 6 and a 1 for the magic dice - I'll have more dispel dice (7) than him (5) !! )

20 Sea Guard
shields
full command
Banner of the Flame
295pts

10 Archers
110pts

20 Spearmen
full command
205pts

19 Phoenix Guard
full command
War Banner
335pts
(bsb here)

5 Dragon Princes
150pts

2 Repeater Bolt Throwers
200pts

Great Eagle
50pts

2242pts

(I'll likely add one of the new 5pt items on either the prince or the PG champion to make the points up... or swap the war banner. Probably put Rune of Luck on Prince so at least he has one re roll of his armour)

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