Which armies do HE's do best against?

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Re: Which armies do HE's do best against?

#31 Post by Jhaantikaal »

Yeah looking at the results submitted I'm one of the worst players on the forum. That may well be true but my results include 2 tournaments and half a dozen tournament practice games, and I have only counted games against newer books (DEs and LM)
One of those tournaments I won - with huge victories against, wait for it, Dark Elves, Warriors of Chaos and Vampire Counts.
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Re: Which armies do HE's do best against?

#32 Post by Oranion »

I will help tip the balance back into the 'Middle of the Road' favor I guess. I just broke a nice loss streak with a win against, you guessed it, Warriors of Chaos! This was a soft, experimental list though, so no Daemon Prince, no Hellcannon, and no Chimeras. Only 3 Skillcrushers, too.

My record is:
Orcs and Gobbos (Savage Orc Horde w/ lots of warmachines) 3 losses, 1 win
Warriors of Chaos: 2 wins
Skaven: 1 loss
Vampire Counts: 1 loss
Beastmen: 1 loss
Empire: 2 wins, 2 losses
High Elves: 2 wins

I think my results are a bit skewed though, the OnG generals are extremely good (and experienced) and I have had horrible luck in a couple games against them. (Fail terror on ld 9, fail to rally on ld 10)

For me personally I think I do best against Empire. No matter what they bring I always seem to have at least 1 hard counter in my combined arms list.
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Re: Which armies do HE's do best against?

#33 Post by Eltherion »

Updated 24 December 2013

vs Beastmen 6 wins 4 losses ratio 1.5/1
vs Bretonnians 8 wins
vs Chaos Dwarfs 4 wins 1 draw 3 losses ratio 1/1
vs Daemons 6 wins 1 draw 1 loss ratio 3/1
vs Dark Elves 16 wins 1 draw 5 losses ratio 2.5/1
vs Dwarfs around 17 wins 5 losses ratio 3/1
vs Empire 20 wins 5 losses ratio 4/1
vs High Elves 16 wins 1 loss ratio 16/1 might suggest more experienced HE players frequent this forum
vs Lizardmen 8 wins 3 losses ratio 2.5/1
vs Ogres 17 wins 8 losses ratio 2/1
vs Orcs & Goblins 13 wins 1 draw 4 loss ratio 2.5/1
vs Skaven 20 wins 1 draw 6 losses ratio 3/1
vs Tomb Kings 5 wins
vs Vampires 20 wins 5 losses ratio 4/1
vs Warriors of Chaos 25 wins 1 draw ratio 25/1 this ratio seems inflated might suggest a lot of noob WoC opponents
vs Wood Elves 9 wins 4 losses ratio 2/1

Keep the results coming in.
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Re: Which armies do HE's do best against?

#34 Post by Breezly »

Eltherion wrote:Updated 24 December 2013
vs Warriors of Chaos 25 wins 1 draw ratio 25/1 this ratio seems inflated might suggest a lot of noob WoC opponents

Keep the results coming in.
I find that most WoC players just push it forward and expect to win. And if you use the slightest tactics on them, you can make them suffer. WoC in the hands of a Good general are Excellent, but there aren't that many good WoC players out there.

DE 1 win, 3 Losses 1 draw
O&G 3 win, 1 loss
Empire 1 loss
Daemons 4 Win, 2 Loss, 2 draw
Lizards 1 Win
VC 1 Win
Ogres 1 Loss
HE 4 win, 1 loss, 1 draw

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Re: Which armies do HE's do best against?

#35 Post by Tullarion »

Breezly wrote:I find that most WoC players just push it forward and expect to win. And if you use the slightest tactics on them, you can make them suffer.
Preach it.
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Re: Which armies do HE's do best against?

#36 Post by Eltherion »

Updated 5/1/2014

vs Beastmen 6 wins 4 losses ratio 1.5/1
vs Bretonnians 9 wins
vs Chaos Dwarfs 4 wins 1 draw 3 losses ratio 1/1
vs Daemons 10 wins 3 draw 3 loss ratio 2/1
vs Dark Elves 17 wins 2 draw 8 losses ratio 2/1
vs Dwarves 17 wins 5 losses ratio 3/1
vs Empire 20 wins 1 draw 6 losses ratio 3/1
vs High Elves 20 wins 1 draw 2 losses ratio 10/1 might suggest more experienced HE players frequent this forum
vs Lizardmen 9 wins 3 losses ratio 3/1
vs Ogres 17 wins 9 losses ratio 2/1
vs Orcs & Goblins 17 wins 1 draw 5 loss ratio 2.5/1
vs Skaven 20 wins 1 draw 6 losses ratio 3/1
vs Tomb Kings 5 wins
vs Vampires 22 wins 5 losses ratio 4/1
vs Warriors of Chaos 25 wins 1 draw ratio 25/1 this ratio seems inflated might suggest a lot of noob WoC opponents
vs Wood Elves 9 wins 4 losses ratio 2/1
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Re: Which armies do HE's do best against?

#37 Post by Ratvan »

These are Tournament and Tournament Preparation Results Only

vs. Beastmen 1 loss
vs. Bretonnians 2 losses
vs. Chaos Dwarves
vs. Daemons
vs. Dark elves
vs. Dwarves 2 wins, 1 loss
vs. Empire 1 win
vs. High Elves
vs. Lizardmen 2 draws
vs. Ogres 1 win 1 loss
vs. Orcs & Gobbos 1 win
vs. Skaven 2 losses
vs. Tomb Kings
vs. Vampires 1 win 2 losses
vs. Warriors of Chaos 1 win, 2 losses
vs. Wood Elves

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Re: Which armies do HE's do best against?

#38 Post by Eltherion »

Updated 6/1/2014

vs Beastmen 6 wins 5 losses ratio 1/1
vs Bretonnians 9 wins 2 losses ratio 4/1
vs Chaos Dwarfs 4 wins 1 draw 3 losses ratio 1/1
vs Daemons 10 wins 3 draw 3 loss ratio 2/1
vs Dark Elves 17 wins 2 draw 8 losses ratio 2/1
vs Dwarves 19 wins 6 losses ratio 3/1
vs Empire 21 wins 1 draw 6 losses ratio 3/1
vs High Elves 20 wins 1 draw 2 losses ratio 10/1 might suggest more experienced HE players frequent this forum
vs Lizardmen 9 wins 2 draws 3 losses ratio 3/1
vs Ogres 18 wins 10 losses ratio 2/1
vs Orcs & Goblins 18 wins 1 draw 5 loss ratio 3/1
vs Skaven 20 wins 1 draw 8 losses ratio 2/1
vs Tomb Kings 5 wins
vs Vampires 23 wins 7 losses ratio 3/1
vs Warriors of Chaos 26 wins 1 draw 2 losses ratio 9/1 this ratio seems inflated might suggest a lot of noob WoC opponents
vs Wood Elves 9 wins 4 losses ratio 2/1
2008-2013 Wins:Draws:Losses
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Re: Which armies do HE's do best against?

#39 Post by Eltherion2 »

updated 2/6/2014

vs Beastmen 6 wins 5 losses ratio 1/1
vs Bretonnians 9 wins 2 losses ratio 4/1
vs Chaos Dwarfs 4 wins 1 draw 4 losses ratio 1/1
vs Daemons 10 wins 3 draw 3 loss ratio 2/1
vs Dark Elves 17 wins 2 draw 8 losses ratio 2/1
vs Dwarves 19 wins 6 losses ratio 3/1
vs Empire 21 wins 1 draw 6 losses ratio 3/1
vs High Elves 21 wins 1 draw 3 losses ratio 10/1 might suggest more experienced HE players frequent this forum
vs Lizardmen 10 wins 2 draws 3 losses ratio 3/1
vs Ogres 19 wins 10 losses ratio 2/1
vs Orcs & Goblins 19 wins 1 draw 5 loss ratio 3/1
vs Skaven 20 wins 1 draw 8 losses ratio 2/1
vs Tomb Kings 5 wins
vs Vampires 23 wins 7 losses ratio 3/1
vs Warriors of Chaos 26 wins 1 draw 2 losses ratio 9/1 this ratio seems inflated might suggest a lot of noob WoC opponents
vs Wood Elves 10 wins 4 losses ratio 2/1
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Re: Which armies do HE's do best against?

#40 Post by Curu Olannon »

My tally for the new book is roughly as follows (might have missed a game or two, most of it can be found in my blog):

vs Beastmen 1 win
vs Bretonnians n/a
vs Chaos Dwarfs 1 win
vs Daemons 2 wins
vs Dark Elves 2 ties, 1 loss
vs Dwarfs 3 wins, 1 tie, 1 loss
vs Empire 3 wins, 1 tie, 1 loss
vs High Elves 2 ties
vs Lizardmen 2 wins
vs Ogres 2 wins, 1 loss
vs Orcs & Goblins n/a
vs Skaven 2 wins, 2 losses
vs Tomb Kings 5 wins
vs Vampires 2 wins
vs Warriors of Chaos 1 win, 1 loss
vs Wood Elves 3 wins
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Re: Which armies do HE's do best against?

#41 Post by Eltherion2 »

updated 2/6/2014

vs Beastmen 7 wins 5 losses ratio 1/1
vs Bretonnians 9 wins 2 losses ratio 4/1
vs Chaos Dwarfs 5 wins 1 draw 4 losses ratio 1/1
vs Daemons 12 wins 3 draws 3 losses ratio 2/1
vs Dark Elves 17 wins 4 draws 8 losses ratio 2/1
vs Dwarves 22 wins 1 draw 7 losses ratio 3/1
vs Empire 24 wins 2 draws 7 losses ratio 3/1
vs High Elves 21 wins 2 draws 3 losses ratio 10/1
vs Lizardmen 12 wins 2 draws 3 losses ratio 3/1
vs Ogres 21 wins 11 losses ratio 2/1
vs Orcs & Goblins 19 wins 1 draw 5 losses ratio 3/1
vs Skaven 22 wins 1 draw 10 losses ratio 2/1
vs Tomb Kings 10 wins
vs Vampires 25 wins 7 losses ratio 3/1
vs Warriors of Chaos 27 wins 1 draw 3 losses ratio 9/1 this ratio seems inflated might suggest a lot of noob WoC opponents
vs Wood Elves 13 wins 4 losses ratio 3/1

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Re: Which armies do HE's do best against?

#42 Post by Wicksi »

Seems people on this forum does not loose games :D
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Re: Which armies do HE's do best against?

#43 Post by Tullarion »

Wicksi wrote:Seems people on this forum does not loose games :D
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Re: Which armies do HE's do best against?

#44 Post by Beltar »

I think, WoCh have more dangerous lists against us than Demon prince.

Trolls totally destroys our cavarly lists and full chariot core decimate our special infantry before they swing back. Lord mage with Tzeench on disc can very easy kill phoenix and together with hellcanon and treason are very dangerous.
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Re: Which armies do HE's do best against?

#45 Post by Jhaantikaal »

Results so far in 2014

vs Beastmen
vs Bretonnians 1 win
vs Chaos Dwarfs
vs Daemons 1 draw
vs Dark Elves 1 win
vs Dwarfs 1 draw
vs Empire 1 win
vs High Elves 1 win, 1 draw
vs Lizardmen 2 wins
vs Ogres
vs Orcs & Goblins
vs Skaven
vs Tomb Kings
vs Vampires
vs Warriors of Chaos 2 win, 2 losses
vs Wood Elves 1 win

Again, all tournament or tournament practise games only counting new books
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Re: Which armies do HE's do best against?

#46 Post by Curu Olannon »

Wicksi wrote:Seems people on this forum does not loose games :D
Oh I have quite a few :)
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Re: Which armies do HE's do best against?

#47 Post by SpellArcher »

Yes but your opponents Curu are mostly very strong.

My opponents (and probably most guys') range from very strong to very weak, so more of an average.
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Re: Which armies do HE's do best against?

#48 Post by Eltherion2 »

updated 4/6/2014

vs Beastmen 7 wins 5 losses ratio 1/1
vs Bretonnians 10 wins 2 losses ratio 5/1
vs Chaos Dwarfs 5 wins 1 draw 4 losses ratio 1/1
vs Daemons 12 wins 4 draws 3 losses ratio 2/1
vs Dark Elves 18 wins 4 draws 8 losses ratio 2/1
vs Dwarves 22 wins 2 draw 7 losses ratio 3/1
vs Empire 25 wins 2 draws 7 losses ratio 3/1
vs High Elves 22 wins 3 draws 3 losses ratio 10/1
vs Lizardmen 14 wins 2 draws 3 losses ratio 3/1
vs Ogres 21 wins 11 losses ratio 2/1
vs Orcs & Goblins 19 wins 1 draw 5 losses ratio 3/1
vs Skaven 22 wins 1 draw 10 losses ratio 2/1
vs Tomb Kings 10 wins
vs Vampires 25 wins 7 losses ratio 3/1
vs Warriors of Chaos 29 wins 1 draw 5 losses ratio 5/1
vs Wood Elves 14 wins 4 losses ratio 3/1
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