Archmage vs. Lord on Black dragon

[Pskyrunner]

What can an archmage type built army do against T6 creatures. Especially against stardragon counterpart, the black dragon.

If you want to beat him with spells and such what could u do?

EDIT:

pok, crimson death and armor of eternal servitude lord sitting on it

[Angel]

What can an archmage type built army do against T6 creatures. Especially against stardragon counterpart, the black dragon.

If you want to beat him with spells and such what could u do?

Take Lore of Beasts and the Beast Covers spell and cast it on the dragon. Preferably on more than one mage since he will try to stop it, really hard. Also be watchful for the Ring of Hotek since it can really mess up your plan.

[Pskyrunner]

aye and is there also a spell or some kind of trick so u can actually hurt the dragon per missile/damage spell?

[pk-ng]

vauls unmaking getting rider of his magical stuff with ring of corin in 1 turn make it easy for shooting.

single bolt from RBTs or cannons will make short work of the dragon

[Kethnae]

aye and is there also a spell or some kind of trick so u can actually hurt the dragon per missile/damage spell?

Consider the Lore of Metal. If you can throw Spirit of the Forge onto the Dragon/Lord model any hits that randomize to the Lord will be S3, but they allow no armor save and are flaming, so his only save is a 50-50 from the Pendant of Kaelith. Any hits randomizing to the Dragon will be S5 and also allow no armor save. Considering the level of protection those two have, that's pretty good.
The Lore also contains Law of Gold, the poor man's Vaul's Unmaking, which of course could be used to chip away at his magic items.
While perhaps slightly less useful against the dragon lord, Transmutation of Lead and Distillation of Molten Silver will both be useful against the Dark Elf army as a whole.

[SpellArcher]

If you suspect Hotek or MR, Heavens for re-rolls on RBT will bypass this.

Though this is more a job for the Seermage than the AM usually.

[AJ21st]

If you have Archmage and Mage, I'd make the Archmage invincible with Folariath's Robe and Talisman and Saphery (plus Silver Wand for more spells). Magic offense is reduced but it would be still decent with the help of the Mage. Your Archmage would also be safe from cannon sniping, template weapon damage that cause D3 wound, etc. Against Blood Thirster with flaming weapon, he could be safe by the side of a Noble that has Dragon Armor.

He could also aid a Noble in fighting a uber Lord for he could make the Lord's magic weapon mundane. I think it could be done based on this FAQ:

Q. Do characters engaged in a challenge only
count as being in base to base contact with one
another? Or are they considered to still be in base
to base contact with other friendly/enemy models
around them?
A. Characters engaged in a challenge are still in
base to base contact with other friendly/enemy
models. Thus the challenge participants may be
affected by magic items/abilities originating from
outside the combat (and vice versa).

The Archmage, perhaps in a unit of 20 Spear Elves, could hopefully trap the Lord on Black Dragon. The Lord will have to guess what he is bringing whether Silver Wand, 2 x Scrolls and 2 Power Stones or Silver Wand and the invincible setup.

[geoguswrek]

The dragon is t6 with a 3+ armour save, the lord is t3 with a 2+ save against shooting and regen (but also with the pendant).

Bolt thrower spell from lore of beasts + beast cowers + more bolt throwers + wolf hunts on a unit of DP into the flank?

Take lore of death and throw "take a wound" at it, (though this won't kill it). Doom and darkness if you can cause a panic test.

unseen lurker on a unit with static?

[Elaithnir]

High Magic. Vaul's Unmaking. Bye bye Pendant. Spam single bolts at the dragon, maybe using Curse to help out. Secondary mage uses Beasts Cowers where possible. Also works against a Vambrace Prince on Stardragon.

[Silver]

Watch out for Ring of Hotek being near the Dragon on Turn 1 and maybe 2, or being on the dragon lord and having the pendant on the bsb (;

[SpellArcher]

I've seen lists with Hotek on a Steed, following the Dragon around.

[White_Phoenix]

For that matter, when using 1st Lore of Metal spell, can you choose the Dragon/rider or do you choose the rider and the mount and it's randomized?

We play that you can choose the rider, which makes the spell very useful to spam on the lord with your caddies. Best way to knock off a dragon is knock off his rider first.

[Silver]

You have to randomize which part is hit, sadly.

[Lord Anathir]

heavens, potent of far on rbt, second sign, comet his rbt. Its not how you`d normally a stop a dragon without hotek but at least you`re not wasting your magic phase. Shadow is also a good choice as always...

[Sinsigel]

If you have Archmage and Mage, I'd make the Archmage invincible with Folariath's Robe and Talisman and Saphery (plus Silver Wand for more spells).

The Archmage, perhaps in a unit of 20 Spear Elves, could hopefully trap the Lord on Black Dragon.

This seems to be the safest way to me at least. Just make sure that the dragon doesn't hit the flanks. Imagine an archmage, rendering 600pts lord on dragon useless all by himself and choking him through sheer combat resolution!

Of course, this setup is completely useless against greater daemons and treemen.