Hi all!
I've been wondering if a unit champion (lets say spearmens for example) can choose to fight with HW/shield when the rest of the unit goes spear/shield.
He probably cant but the reason I'm insecure about it is since he in some ways he acually counts as a character in a unit and as far as I know a Noble doesnt have to fight with spear in a spearmen unit And on top of that some champions can have magical weapons would that be totally uselles if they have to fight with the same type of weapon as the unit?
Anyways the question is; can a unit champion fight with a diferent weapon then the rest of the unit?
Clearly not. Close combat rules on clear on this. All models in the unit must fight with the same equipment. Unit champions are only characters for the purpose of challenges, shooting distribution of damage, and "look out sir"; nothing else.
By the exact letter of the rules, even a unit champion with magical equipment must fight with the same mundane equipment as the rest of his unit, but since that is obviously wrong, everyone ignores that.
dabber wrote:Clearly not. Close combat rules on clear on this. All models in the unit must fight with the same equipment. Unit champions are only characters for the purpose of challenges, shooting distribution of damage, and "look out sir"; nothing else.
By the exact letter of the rules, even a unit champion with magical equipment must fight with the same mundane equipment as the rest of his unit, but since that is obviously wrong, everyone ignores that.
I agree that they have to fight with the same weapon as all other models. They are not characters, only special RnF troopers. I do however argue that I think that if the champion has a magical weapon then he has to fight with that weapon according to the BRB. IIRC it says in the BRB that if you are equiped with a magical weapon you have to use that weapon. This in my opinion gives an exception to rule that the whole unit fights with the same weapon.
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The champion is part of the unit, and therefore must fight as the unit does. In a challenge he is a separate combatant, and thus may choose - though only in the first round, then he is stuck subsequent rounds. He is also stuck with the weapons the unit used in the first round for challenges in subsequent rounds.
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Prince_Asuryan wrote:The champion is part of the unit, and therefore must fight as the unit does. In a challenge he is a separate combatant, and thus may choose - though only in the first round, then he is stuck subsequent rounds. He is also stuck with the weapons the unit used in the first round for challenges in subsequent rounds.
Challenges are in no way separate from the combat. No rules support what you're saying.
Prince_Asuryan wrote:The champion is part of the unit, and therefore must fight as the unit does. In a challenge he is a separate combatant, and thus may choose - though only in the first round, then he is stuck subsequent rounds. He is also stuck with the weapons the unit used in the first round for challenges in subsequent rounds.
Challenges are in no way separate from the combat. No rules support what you're saying.
Indeed, only characters in a unit can fight differently as they are "units" on their own.
Consider the Champion a component within a unit that has some independence of action in certain limited instances. He may be singled out and challenged. He may be independently targeted. If he has magic weapons, he must use those in preference to those the rest of the unit would normally be equipped with.
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Silver wrote:Rules clearly don't allow it.
Logic clearly allows it.
Logic conflicts with Rules.
Rules win.
thats pretty much sums it up really,
might be a nice addition for 8th edition (not that I imagine GW being even vaguely aware of this idea )
it makes sense that the champion fights with his weapon of choice, after all being a veteran me will have earned a slight amount of independence.
And on top of that some champions can have magical weapons would that be totally uselles if they have to fight with the same type of weapon as the unit?
