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Author:  Eltherion [ Sun May 30, 2010 1:31 pm ]
Post subject:  2500 Tourney List what do u think?

Hi all I haven't played HE's for a while been using Ogres with reasonable success. I am about to play in a Tourney next month which will be one of the last one's under 7th Edition.

Originally I was going with a Star Dragon list but currently I was thinking a Shooty/Magic Combo with some melee.

There are likely to be a wide variety of opponents with lots of Dwarves/Chaos Dwarves, VC's & DE's and at least 1 army from each of the other army books.

After reading some excellent articles on this forum I tried some new ideas for my list.

Okies here goes suggestions gratefully accepted.

Characters 775 Keeping to 3 to allow more troops
Achmage lvl 4: Silver Wand, Scroll, Bow of Seafarer, Gem of courage 360 (or swap out Bow for Ring of Fury & 3rd Scroll).
Mage Level 2:Seer Staff, Scroll 185
Noble BSB, DA, Halberd, Talisman of Loec, Reaver Bow, Tiranoc Chariot 230

Core 582
11 Archers
11 Archers
19 Spears full Command, Lion Standard

Special 1022
14* Swordmasters full command, Standard of Balance, Champion with Skeinsliver *(changed)
Lion Chariot
6 Dragon Princes full command, Amulet of light, Banner of Sorcery
5 Silver helms, Shields
7 Shadow Warriors

Rare 300
RBT
RBT
RBT

Total = 2500

8 Units to deploy to help get 1st turn, +1 for Skeinsliver.
9-11 Power dice, 5 Dd, 2 scrolls

Author:  pk-ng [ Sun May 30, 2010 2:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2500 Tourney List what do u think?

Why Silver Helms?

Author:  Eltherion [ Sun May 30, 2010 6:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2500 Tourney List what do u think?

The Silver helms are a throw away War machine hunter/ bait unit also a cheap flanker. I find these guys stick around longer than Reavers due to the 2+ AS.

Author:  Bolt Thrower [ Sun May 30, 2010 7:12 pm ]
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I think that you may have too many sword masters and shadow warriors. Maybe drop the SM down to 14 and the SW to 5 (you have the Silver Helms after all to help as hunters/support) and pick up another Tiranoc Chariot. It is one more drop, but I think the additional support with a combined charge is worth it and will be more productive than the additional SM and SW.

Author:  Eltherion [ Sun May 30, 2010 7:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2500 Tourney List what do u think?

I am intending to screen the SM's with the archers so dropping some SM's is a possibility.

I am wondering maybe drop the eagle for a Tiranoc? therefore keeping the same number of deployment drops.

Author:  theviking [ Sun May 30, 2010 7:32 pm ]
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I dunno about the archmage having that bow, you might get three or four hits with it and maybe cause 8 or 9 wounds the whole game. You can do that in one turn with the ring of fury, and you don't need to roll to hit.

Author:  Eltherion [ Sun May 30, 2010 8:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2500 Tourney List what do u think?

Ye not sure about the bow either, but if the Magic Phase gets shut down then at least the Achmage can have a use.

I would focus his shots at large targets if available increasing the odds of hitting. It could also be useful vs Knights (no AS for them).

Author:  SpellArcher [ Sun May 30, 2010 11:49 pm ]
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I like the list as it is, except I think your Spears need the BSB in the unit.

Why not field him on foot and the Tiranoc separately?

Author:  Eltherion [ Mon May 31, 2010 12:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2500 Tourney List what do u think?

I could swap him (the Noble) out but might need to change his kit.

The idea is use the chariot as a flanker as well if needed unit Str 5.

Also it would add a unit to the deployment I am banking on getting the first turn in most games.

Author:  SpellArcher [ Mon May 31, 2010 12:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2500 Tourney List what do u think?

The Spears would be much more reliable with the BSB, interesting though the chariot option is.

I had the same dilemma with the Skeinsliver but went with the extra unit (in my case a second eagle) and didn't regret it. You can't guarantee getting first turn but Skeinsliver is always useful I've found.

Author:  Eltherion [ Mon May 31, 2010 12:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2500 Tourney List what do u think?

The Noble will be near the spears so if the chariot goes down he may end up hiding in the spears. I am not sure if the dragon armour he wears protects the Chariot Mount as it says on page 57 of HE Army Book or is that just horses as mounts?

I have tried to make the list quite Magic/Shooty to try and deal with DE's.

Not sure how it will go vs VC's but it should be competitive. A player at our club has 2 units of Ethereals each with Banshee, as well as Knights and 3 Vamps, 2 Corpse carts.

Author:  SpellArcher [ Mon May 31, 2010 5:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2500 Tourney List what do u think?

Eltherion wrote:
I am not sure if the dragon armour he wears protects the Chariot Mount as it says on page 57 of HE Army Book or is that just horses as mounts?

The chariot is listed in the army list entry for 'Mounts', just like Dragons etc. so it is protected.

Author:  Eltherion [ Mon May 31, 2010 6:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2500 Tourney List what do u think?

Nice!! I was hoping this but was unsure.

Here's the re jigged list after advice and checking this website.

Characters 834
Achmage lvl 4: Silver Wand, Scroll, Bow of Seafarer 350
Mage Level 2:Seer Staff, Scroll 185
Noble BSB, Decked as Dragon Prince, Ring of Fury, Gem of Courage 158
Noble Reaver Bow, DA, Mask of the Merlord (4+ AS) 141

Core 220
10 Archers
10 Archers

Special 1095
14 Swordmasters full command, Standard of Balance, Champion: Talisman of Loec
Lion Chariot
Tiranoc chariot
6 Dragon Princes Sb Banner of Sorcery
5 Dragon Princes full command, Amulet of Light, Banner of Ellyrion
6 Shadow Warriors

Rare 350
RBT
RBT
RBT
Eagle

Total = 2499

9-11 Power dice, 1 bound item, 5 Dd, 2 scrolls

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