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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 2:18 am 
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2500 vs Warriors of Chaos. He loves Khorne, Hellcannons, Knights, And warriors with 4 attacks.

Teclis (Metal) - 475

Mage (Metal) - 175
Level 2
Seer staff
Dispel Scroll

Mage (High) - 185
Level 2
Ring of Fury
Silver Wand

Noble - 136
Dragon Armour and Shield
Star Lance
Talisman of Loec

15 Phoenix Guard - 225
Banner of Sorcery
Full Command

1 Lion Chariot of Chrace - 140

14 Sword Masters - 275
Standard of Balance
Champion
Guardian Phoenix

7 Sword Masters - 130
Champion

14 White Lion - 255
Champion
White Lion Banner
Amulet of Fire

10 Archers - 110

10 Archers - 110

6 Dragon Princes - 205
Banner of Arcane Protection

1 Eagles and 3 RBT - 350

Im trying to destroy him with magic. Id say it will do pretty well. any suggestions? anything illegal? anything dumb?

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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 2:42 am 
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Illegal: You can't have more than one Arcane item on a character, so your Starwood+Silver Wand mage is illegal. Same goes for the jewel of dusk+Seerstaff mage.
Taking normal mages along with teclis is generally inadvisable. Teclis works heavily on Irresistible Force, meaning he sidesteps most magical defenses. So if you take regular mages along they get stuck plodding through the magical defenses of an army. Of course, seeing as you're heading into a Khrone heavy Warriors list 3 regular mages might be able to overcome standard magical protection even without considering Teclis's efforts.
I'm not going to say that taking Eagles is a bad idea, their potential for march-blocking and general harassment are valuable. However, I will tell you that hunting a Hellcannon with Eagles is a stupid idea. A Hellcannon is a literal demon, and it fights like one. Its got 5 S5 attacks and it's T6. That doesn't even consider the 3 S3 T4 Chaos Dwarf crew. If that wasn't enough, it's a US5 Terror causer that is also Unbreakable. The Eagles would need a lot of luck to survive, let alone win.


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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 7:40 am 
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Agree with Kethnae. I would'nt drop the mages, if you think they're worth it try. Tell us how it goes :P. I would swap their items for one with seerstaff, one with silver wand and the Ring of Fury and another with the jewel of dusk. Maybe squeeze in the Ring of Corin on one as well.

You have 2 magic defense items despite fighting a Khorne army and having 8-10 dispell dice, why? Put the BoS on the PG and remove the BoAP and Amulet of Fire. If you're putting the mages in the PG (you should), then you'll need a champion. Use eagles to redirect his frenzied units.

I know you'll hate to lose a mage but an army so centered on infantry blocks could really benefit from a BSB :P. Try the 15-19 PD version first though x'D.

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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 10:51 am 
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the reason i have so much magic defense is because every once in a while he likes to surprise me with like 10 power dice tzeentch army. thats why i think chaos is annoying. ill do some editiong on my list when i get home from school today :)

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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 11:09 am 
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Your list could easily manage a 10PD list. You have a DD for every PD :O.

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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 8:31 pm 
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I made my list legal, and got rid of one eagle and added a RBT.

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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 2:18 am 
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Ok i changed one spell caster to a prince with the DP, so i lost a little magic for a combat Noble with the star lance.

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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 3:27 am 
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It's still illegal
Annulian Crystal = 40
JotD = 15
Total = 55
A Mage can carry only 50 points worth of magical items. And they are both Arcane items....

And what's Mask Merlin? Mask of the Merlord? If so your noble is illegal as the item is for some on foot and your have him on a steed

Your PGs cost 287 - 15x15 = 225 + 12 (for the SB) + 50 (for the BoS). Should give full command to the PGs if you are going to bunker the Mages some where.

You might as well give your champion on the SM a ToL to cut then enemy Generals / BSBs and your points are wrong

Why bother giving your 7 SMs a warbanner? It's like giving anyway free points.

Points for WL are wrong as well

Points for DPs are wrong as well

You seem to complete forget the fact that you need to have a SB in order to field a banner in your unit.

I agree with what Kethnae has said and you don't seem to taking on his advice which is fine if you're dead set on bringing to mages along with Teclis

If that's the case then your should really consider a combination of these magic setups
Level 2 Seerstaff + PS
Level 2 RoF Silver Wand
Level 1 2x DS

If not you only need 1 Level 1 mage with 2x DS
Another hero you could have is BSB AoC + GoP, Great Weapon
And/or Noble White Sword/Reaver Bow + ToL (for a bit of fun)

You'll definitely need scrolls if your friend goes magic heavy list for WoC.

You will have to cast spells with your Level1/2 mages but to be honest they are going to be draining PDs that Teclis can use.

Also get some ER to do more marchblocking and re-directing

and 10 PD compared to your teclis is a roll over for you

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