Ulthuan

Hello fellow High Elves, I been gone for a while but i am back in mood to make fun lists

List 1:
Archmage
-Lvl. 4, RoF, SW, 2x Dispel Scroll
Mage
-Lvl. 2, Seerstaff, Dispel Scroll
Noble
-BSB, Battle banner, DP kit
2x 10 Archers
6 Dragon Princes
-champ, stb, warbanner, AoL
6 Dragon Princes
-champ, stb, BoE
20 Pheonix Guard
-champ, stb, skeinsilver, BoS
5 Ellyrian Reavers
-musician
2x RBT
2x Great Eagle

points- 2249

I had a few doubts about the role of the Pheonix Guard so i decided to make list #2. (Don't really have any other infantry... looks kinda alone with no other infantry support)

List 2:
Archmage
-Lvl. 4, RoF, SW, 2x Dispel Scroll
Mage
-Lvl. 2, Seerstaff, Dispel Scroll
Noble
-BSB, Battle banner, DP kit
2x 10 Archers
6 Dragon Princes
-champ, stb, BoE
6 Dragon Princes
-champ, stb, BoS, AoL
14 White Lions
-stb, Lion Standard
14 Sword Masters (might do 2x 7)
2x RBT
2x Great Eagle

points - 2250 on the dot

I think the list 2 might be better because it has units that can do some damge (WL and SM) instead of the block of PG which will most likely just sit there.

Any ideas or tweaks or C&C are welcome.

Thanks

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16/4/2

Both lists look good.

You have the DP's and BB to put the hurt on in the PG list.

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Yes, but I feel as if the PG dont really have a place in the list. They have no other infantry support and I feel as if I would just park them somewhere where their only duty would probably be to babysit the Archmage (and for 374 points) thats alot of babysiting.

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16/4/2

definitely can't have a "hoeth" list without swordmasters!

How about this?

Archmage-350
-Lvl. 4, RoF, SW, 2x Dispel Scroll
Mage-185
-Lvl. 2, Seerstaff, Dispel Scroll
Noble-202
-BSB, Battle banner, HA, GW
Noble-155
-steed, starlance, DA, shield, ToL
2x 10 Archers-220
5 Dragon Princes-255
-champ, stb, BoS, AoL
Lion Chariot-140
20 White Lions-337
-stb, Lion Standard
7 Sword Masters-105
2x RBT-200
2x Great Eagle-100

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16/4/2

Pretty good, except the second Noble is costing you a fighting unit, which I think you need.

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I like list 2 from your first post the best. Run those swordmasters in one unit 7 wide. I would only suggest trying to get the standard of balance on them.

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I like the latest list you posted exept that you should get rid of some White lions in favor for more Swordmasters. Drop the White lions down to 13-14 and get swordmasters for those points. Besides that it looks good. I like that you added a chariot in the latest list, that was something I missed. Many armies have chariots as choice but maybe not as importent. For High elfs I would say that chariots change the whole game for you. I would consider getting the Book on your Archmage. It is fantastic to throw 4 dices with Vaul's Unmaking against some armies. Or forcing true a Spirit of the Forge on some.

Otherwise it looks great. Good luck with it.

Just wondering, what you you suggest in place of the second noble? A 2nd unit of Dragon Princes or another chariot?
I feel that my most recent list could be potentially very good (two strong units DPs and WLs along with the Lion Chariot and SM) but it will most likely fall prey to large armies will outflank/outmaneuver me. Though, isn't that what Flames of the Phoenix and Spirit of the Forge are for?
I also have a decent amount of shooting with 20 archers and 2 RBT. Also mages go in archers (havent played in a few years- but this seems the only logical place to put them).

Well, I guess I will play a few games, master the army, then completely change my strategy for 8th edition .

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16/4/2

Yep, more DP's.

I'd usually go for a refused flank against big armies. Your big spells will help but you can't rely on them doing anything in particular IMHO. Some games they'll decimate the opposition, some they won't do much at all but RBT or combat troops may come up trumps.

I'd suggest floating around with the mages. You could deploy in Lions then move out to Archers if necessary for example.

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So your thinking basically the old switcharoo...

Archmage-350
-Lvl. 4, RoF, SW, 2x Dispel Scroll
Mage-185
-Lvl. 2, Seerstaff, Dispel Scroll
Noble-204
-BSB, Battle banner, DA, GW
2x 10 Archers-220
5 Dragon Princes-150
5 Dragon Princes-255
-champ, stb, BoS, AoL
Lion Chariot-140
20 White Lions-337
-stb, Lion Standard
7 Sword Masters-105
2x RBT-200
2x Great Eagle-100

Total:2246

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16/4/2

BSB on foot with on a 5+ AS is an easy target to kill.

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Yeah now that I see the list this stands out. With Radiant Gem or Banner of Sorcery the BSB is doing stuff without an urgent need to see combat but Battle Banner has to get stuck in. Mounting him for the 2+ Save looks like a good idea.

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I agree. That battle banner needs to be on a mount. Too precious to not protect him to the fullest. Though risky, this also opens up the possibility of him charging out of a unit to attack. If the target is chosen correctly (meaning weak enough), he won't get hit back by much and then the combat res from the Battle Banner can help to break the enemy and get run down. Works best on war machines or weakly armored units.

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Bolt Thrower's High Elves

I would strongly recommend giving one of your DPs champ the Helm of Fortune for the 1+ re-roll-able AS. It's golden and saved my ass time and time again!

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I held off a Greater Daemon with it for a turn!

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My army

Aight I exchanged a White Lion for the dp kit on the noble but I didnt really find anything I could exchange points for the champ + Helm.

Archmage-350
-Lvl. 4, RoF, SW, 2x Dispel Scroll
Mage-185
-Lvl. 2, Seerstaff, Dispel Scroll
Noble-218
-BSB, Battle banner, DA, bsteed, shield, lance
2x 10 Archers-220
5 Dragon Princes-150
5 Dragon Princes-255
-champ, stb, BoS, AoL
Lion Chariot-140
19 White Lions-322
-stb, Lion Standard
7 Sword Masters-105
2x RBT-200
2x Great Eagle-100

Total: 2245

If i droped the WLs down to 14, I could grab the helm and add a BoE: the list would look like this... But i dont know if i like only have 14 lions with the BSB.

Archmage-350
-Lvl. 4, RoF, SW, 2x Dispel Scroll
Mage-185
-Lvl. 2, Seerstaff, Dispel Scroll
Noble-218
-BSB, Battle banner, DA, bsteed, shield, lance
2x 10 Archers-220
5 Dragon Princes-230
-champ, stb, Helm of Fortitude, BoE
5 Dragon Princes-255
-champ, stb, BoS, AoL
Lion Chariot-140
14 White Lions-247
-stb, Lion Standard
7 Sword Masters-105
2x RBT-200
2x Great Eagle-100

Total: 2250 exactly and looks alot like my #2 list in my first post.

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16/4/2

Drop the SMs? Add 1 more DPs to each group of 5 DPs because if they are shoot at they must randomise between champions and the unit.
You'll have 45 points to spare and I would suggest getting Full Command in the white lions then you can probably get one more WL?

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