UK Masters

[SpellArcher]

From Mr Harbinson's blog, lists and commentaries from finreir of this forum, amongst others:

http://www.raffazza.blogspot.co.uk/2015 ... w.html?m=1

[John Rainbow]

Looks good. I haven't had chance to read it all yet (or much of it tbh) but the commentary on lists and thoughts is cool.

Lol at this list too:

Teclis
Alarielle
Level 4 Death with Folding Fortress
3 level 1 Light Wizards
BSB w/BotWD

65 Archers

2 x Eagle

Someone isn't in there to make friends!

[SpellArcher]

The author, Hristo Nikolov, is Bulgaria ETC Captain, though he's UK resident. He usually plays Dwarfs. He's had a lot of stick on Twitter apparently. The question is, will anyone take this list to the Sheffield Slaughter, as this is the comp they are using?

The other HE list looks like a Coven with Teclis replacing Loremaster, as they say.

[Curu Olannon]

I know for a fact that Hristo's list will make an appearance on Sheffield, unless I've been trolled by a clubmate. Variations of it also spring up with TK, what about a Khalida-list with 100 Archers in the same tower? It literally destroys those lists! Note that under Sheffield rules, TK also get a free piece of terrain

[Nyeave]

I know for a fact that Hristo's list will make an appearance on Sheffield, unless I've been trolled by a clubmate. Variations of it also spring up with TK, what about a Khalida-list with 100 Archers in the same tower? It literally destroys those lists! Note that under Sheffield rules, TK also get a free piece of terrain

I am just curious here . I dont have many games under my belt and I dont have my rulebook close, but I seem to recall there being a limit to how many shots can be fired from a building. I can definately see why the fortress list won't make any friends from a points denial perspective, but concerning what I wrote above, I wonder about its offensive output. I mean you got to draw home some points if you want more than just a draw.

[SpellArcher]

IMHO it's all about the magic, the Archers just give a few shots over Spears.

He can put the Fortress anywhere in his deployment zone and start chucking out damage spells immediately. But yes I can see him struggling to win big if the enemy hides. Important here is the 16 cap (instead of 20-0 scoring system) and the small field of sixteen. He may not need to win that big to do well there.

Have to say I'm rather glad my next event house-rules buildings to a max 18 models.

[Curu Olannon]

Buildings are completely retarded and easily the worst rules written in 8th edition.

The limit for shooters, if I remember correctly, is 10 per floor. Make a big enough tower and 100 is not a problem, besides in TLoS a huge tower is beneficial. Yet another ridiculous rule.

[SpellArcher]

It's five per floor Curu.

We just have to hope he's built one thirteen storeys high...

[Nyeave]

Ah and here I thought a building per standard was 2 or 3 stories high, but I guess the folding fortress rules don't specify how big the building must be...
(I can just imagine someone putting a 6 feet Orthanc on the table...)

[SpellArcher]

White Tower of Hoeth (with assorted clouds stuck to it)?

Ah, that's been relocated to the sea bed.

[sparkytrypod]

indeed 5 per floor, i have never seen anyone play with a building that counted as more than 3 stories high, so 15 shots.

[Curu Olannon]

I would insist on the tower being tall enough, but I don't doubt people would bring it

[sparkytrypod]

dam right!

what a horrible and boring game to play.

although i reckon a high book archmage could give it a run, so long as you kept LOS!
arcane unforge BOTWD and fiery convocation for the next 5 turns, dice and teclis destroy scroll dependant obviously.

get those lovely reroll to wound in a building then.

[SpellArcher]

Interesting that there are only four Legion lists and one mega-lord (Russ Veal's Malekith). As pointed out, quite a few cannon in anticipation of more. Of course there is a sliding points scale according to what you bring.

[Curu Olannon]

I'm actually kind of surprised nobody took Malekith with Witchelves. Seems like a brutal combo. Chaff isn't exactly abundant here either. Malekith does have his weaknesses though, Banishment and Searing Doom are both bad news for him.

[Raffazza]

Hristo is a Dwarf player... which really says all you need to know about that list

Whilst in the building the shooting is of absolutely no consequence, all about magic output. If in a safe spot (and the building rules are silly enough that it exiting safely is relatively easy) he can pop out the building for some shooting should he want to.

It is next to impossible to hide from the list as well.
And yes, I am hoping I do badly enough I don't have to play it

[sparkytrypod]

and in true dwarf fashion, he turned an army capable of being mobile into a total brick!!

I hope his winds of magic are horrible

you shud pop over here more often raffazza, any and all input appreciated!

are you also attending Sheffield slaughter?

[Raffazza]

I am indeed – temptation is to see if I can come up with a list that is even worse in the comp meta than this one

Never sure why I don’t spend more time on here (generally pop on to learn at Furion’s feet a few times a year!).

[SpellArcher]

Yes, thanks for the write-ups, very interesting.

But who is going to win in the battles of old filth vs new filth?

[Ielthan]

Pretty disappointing lists tbh, all a bit boring. Was hoping more players would take a chance and take more end times characters, try to shake up the meta more. That 4 cannon double banishment empire list looks hideous . The Aussie masters looked way more fun. Cheers for the write up Raffazza, love your blog!

P.s. would love to see you do more podcasting.

[SpellArcher]

What it seems to have are some lists from the pre-50% meta, some from the 50% and some End Times. I'm not even getting to play under 50% until next month. Those middle-group lists are a bit of an eye-opener and quite scary TBH. Units really are something you can take or leave now, for some books.

[Raffazza]

The Aussie masters looked way more fun

Which is saying something - those lists were terribly tedious on the most part!

... Cheers for the write up Raffazza, love your blog!
P.s. would love to see you do more podcasting.

Thanks!
And will see what can do on that front, lol! Issue is having stuff to talk about

What it seems to have are some lists from the pre-50% meta, some from the 50% and some End Times. I'm not even getting to play under 50% until next month. Those middle-group lists are a bit of an eye-opener and quite scary TBH. Units really are something you can take or leave now, for some books.

Agreed to a point. Interestingly I think in a lot of cases units are far better than characters, but 'new shiny' syndrome is hard to battle

[sparkytrypod]

Indeed, if people are spending max amount on characters is there a place for spending max amount on units such as archers/spearelfs/ core general, backed up by winrazor etc. Hi malekith, here are a couple of 40 elf archer units, chew away on them for 6 turns, il wait for mind razor!!

[finreir]

Indeed, if people are spending max amount on characters is there a place for spending max amount on units such as archers/spearelfs/ core general, backed up by winrazor etc. Hi malekith, here are a couple of 40 elf archer units, chew away on them for 6 turns, il wait for mind razor!!

Nah I tried the mindrazor core approach I abandoned it, the lists are dire though appalling but that's what an awful comp pack produces.
If A couple people more dropped out I would have declined my invite the same as I declined to go to Sheffield, a concoction of 50% mixed with end times, mixed with sort of uncomped but with LOS on spells, no meaningful scenarios etc
Glad I didn't go but I will be listening today will be interesting to see if hristos list breaks como

[sparkytrypod]

well the H-bomb won his first game 15-5 I believe.

ya im happy about the introduction of senarios to etc, more flavour to the game.

it is a big step change for most people to use senarios, but good scenarios will improve the game and fun-factor enormously.

[SpellArcher]

Round 2 draw (from Tom Madwsley's twitter)

1st rd opponents in brackets, I'm having trouble getting scores

Mark Wildman (Steve) - Russ Veal (Marcus)
Amit Hindocha (Zach) - Raf Harbinson (17-3 Will)
Craig Johnson (Tom) - Hristo Nikolov (15-5 Dom)
Andy Potter (11-9 Terry) - Luke Morton (Mikey)
Mikey Newman (Luke) - Terry Pike (9-11 Andy)
Dom Pemberton (5-15 Hristo) - Tom Harris (Craig)
Will Goodwin (3-17 Raf) - Zach Martin (Amit)
Marcus Lake (Russ) - Steve Follows (Mark)

Rd 1 highlights included one Kairos Cascading and another getting Hellcannoned off apparently.

[sparkytrypod]

thanks SA, crying out for updates so i am!

[sparkytrypod]

Mark wildmans imrik v hristos teclis on table 1 for round 3!

[finreir]

Round 2 results
http://ukmasters.wordpress.com/2015/01/ ... d-results/
Round 3 draw
http://ukmasters.wordpress.com/2015/01/ ... nd-3-draw/

[finreir]

Hristo just hot 11-9 win on table 1